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In Topic: Forged | GT-R Life 6th Annual VIR Track Day Recap and Photos

Yesterday, 01:57 PM



Big thanks to the Forged team and everyone else who made this event possible.  As always, it was a great time with lots of uncluttered time on track and chance to connect faces with names from the forum.  Definitely my favorite track event of the year.  Even with the weather threatening all day long, I can't remember having a better day at the track where you could get multiple clean laps in a single session, let alone across several sessions!  Cannot wait until next year.  :paddleshift:

In Topic: **2015 GT-R & GT-R NISMO: LIVE Launch Coverage & Discussion**

Yesterday, 08:48 AM



View Postpcargt3, on 25 July 2014 - 08:44 AM, said:

No doubt nismo will hold value very well.  Like ford gt or porsche gt3rs 4.0.  But thats only because of so few cars being made.  And if the owner keeps it like a museum piece with no miles

Whats going to happen when they decide to make as many as can sell over the next 2 or so years?  Becomes a used car no different than base model, or corvette, or 911.  I would be very concerned if i plan to pay over sticker price.

It won't be overproduced.  Various production limitations (as in rate of production of key parts) is why allocations have already been cut for this year.  Between now and when the R35 sunsets, I'd be surprised if we see a total of 100 in the US and 200 or so worldwide.

In Topic: MotorTrend's Greatest Drag Race 4 Question.

Yesterday, 07:19 AM



View Postghostrider, on 24 July 2014 - 06:38 PM, said:

McCluck McCluck McCluck,Ijust don't know

That much is clear by your posts

In Topic: **2015 GT-R & GT-R NISMO: LIVE Launch Coverage & Discussion**

Yesterday, 07:08 AM



View PostHKYStormFront, on 24 July 2014 - 07:25 PM, said:

. Given a good track, the regular Nismo might be faster depending on the tuning.

This is the part that is killing me.  So much stink over the 'Ring times, but in every article Nissan talks about how the normal NISMO has stiffer suspension, tighter damper settings, etc. etc. than the N-Attack car because the 'Ring is so unique in that it is not a road course... it is largely a road that has been transformed into a circuit.  I would not be surprised at all to see better laps times at many, probably most, closed circuits in the standard NISMO than in an N-attack version.

In Topic: ***BREAKING NEWS****GTR NISMO N Attack Package pricing and details released f...

24 July 2014 - 08:09 AM



View PostMC, on 24 July 2014 - 06:34 AM, said:

when he says the engineers say its capable of "7:16." its important to know that those same engineers pegged the  N attack at 7:10  according to Tamura-San. Thats why they were so happy when Michael Krumm broke into the 7:08. so I think  Mr Palmer is right in that the driver variable is good for a few seconds so I think 7:13/7:14 is not out of reason with him at the wheel just like  7:08 wasnt with the  7:10 engineer expectation


Ive reached out to Michael Krumm aswell as he was quoted saying the  N attack itself was possibly capable of 2 more secs hypothetical (7:06) with cleaning up a few small mistakes he made. so I would like to know his assessment of the NISMO time too with the driver plugged in.

I get that, but let me quote something from the June 2014 EVO article (bolded emphasis is mine)...

Hiroshi Tamura, chief product specialist for the GT-R, explains why they wanted to go sub-7:10 at the Ring: "To be honest another one or two seconds knocked off last year's lap time would not jump out.  And even a change in wind direction can account for that difference.  So we wanted to make big progress."

To me that says the regular NISMO was only bettering last years time by that one or two seconds, not hitting a time significantly better and explains why no time for the regular NISMO has surfaced yet.

I respect that Krumm thinks the car itself (the N-attack) may be capable of even a 7:06 time (which would imply the regular NISMO is theoritcally slightly faster too), BUT.. and this is the important part... The N-attack did NOT do a 7:06, it did a 7:08.  Doesn't matter what the car itself it is capable of on an absolute perfect lap.  What matters is what they were able to achieve with the best driver on the best run..  The same issue of EVO, Krumm mentions the 7:06 time but also says trying for that would have greatly increased the risk of botching the entire lap and not even hitting the 7:10 mark.

It's all benchracing, but you cannot even benchrace on what was not achieved, only what was.  The N-attack hit 7:08 and change, that's it.  If the regular NISMO did a lap faster than 7:15 (with Krumm or anyone else at the wheel), I'd be surprised considering the additional effort to attain sub-7:10.  If it were 1/2 way between the standard GT-R and the N-attack NISMO, I see no reason Nissan would not be making that time public as well.