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#1 tractionlimited Posted 13 November 2009 - 03:11 AM

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A buddy of mine and I took our 2010 GT-Rs down to see Tim at Surgeline in Portland today.  Mine's 100% stock - 0 physical mods.  I had it on 101 octane unleaded for safety.  At 17psi, it makes some crazy power: 540whp/570wtq. . .  over and over and over again. :irock:  My buddy made very similar numbers today on 92 octane, but with the addition of a Y-pipe and another pound or so of boost.  We were all stunned to see the 2010s responding so well.

Tim is a GT-R tuning master, and all the guys at the shop are top notch.  A giant thanks to Surgeline for hosting us today!

I'm thinking 10.9s stock with tune.  Any takers? :)

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#2 2dcurb Posted 13 November 2009 - 05:11 AM

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nice



#3 STI2EVO2GTR Posted 13 November 2009 - 07:15 AM

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Wow amazing number, highest i've seen for zero physically mods.
is this with the new RPM Based Boost control? How are the 2010's responding different than the 09's



#4 DerekFSU Posted 13 November 2009 - 07:35 AM

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What were your numbers before the tune?



#5 FikseGTS Posted 13 November 2009 - 09:49 AM

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what gear was the car dyno'd in?

solid numbers, although without a before/after graph on the same dyno it's hard to tell what you really gained....  you're about 40HP and 100tq higher than any other tune only car....  take it to the track and you'll really know how it's running...  boost is holding well to redline!



#6 Harrison Posted 13 November 2009 - 09:57 AM

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that's awesome results.  congrats!!!


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#7 JoeGr Posted 13 November 2009 - 10:17 AM

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View PostSTI2EVO2GTR, on Nov 13 2009, 07:15 AM, said:

Wow amazing number, highest i've seen for zero physically mods.
is this with the new RPM Based Boost control? How are the 2010's responding different than the 09's

If Tim is tuning the car then yes it is with RPM Based Waste Gate Duty control.  He doing custom tunes with the new RPM based control so that it can be verified on as many different setups as possible.

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#8 Djreversal Posted 13 November 2009 - 10:23 AM

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View PostJoeGr, on Nov 13 2009, 11:17 AM, said:

If Tim is tuning the car then yes it is with RPM Based Waste Gate Duty control.  He doing custom tunes with the new RPM based control so that it can be verified on as many different setups as possible.

Joe

before #'s would have helped alot.    Take it to the track and see what MPH you get out of her.  That will help solidify the WHP #"s


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#9 SlowGTR Posted 13 November 2009 - 03:44 PM

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Tim is definitely a GT-R tuning master.  Everyone at Surgeline/Cobb tuning is great.  Highly recommended!

Mine made decent power, but less torque.  :banghead:

Bigger turbos are needed.



#10 tractionlimited Posted 13 November 2009 - 06:42 PM

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View PostSTI2EVO2GTR, on Nov 13 2009, 05:15 AM, said:

Wow amazing number, highest i've seen for zero physically mods.
is this with the new RPM Based Boost control? How are the 2010's responding different than the 09's

Yes, this is the new boost control strategy.  Works pretty well.  I don't know for sure about the 2010s vs. the 2009s, but my buddy are both 2010s, pulled very similar numbers, and hold the dyno records on a dyno that had a bunch of 2009s on it.  So. . .  draw your own conclusions, but it appears that the 2010s have some significant difference.


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#11 tractionlimited Posted 13 November 2009 - 06:46 PM

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View PostDerekFSU, on Nov 13 2009, 05:35 AM, said:

What were your numbers before the tune?

Didn't get them for a few reasons, but mostly because I rolled in with a tune already on the car (from another vendor) and 101oct in the tank and it didn't seem like it would tell us much to flash back to stock and have it try to burn the fuel.  In retrospect, it would be interesting to see what a bone stock 2010 puts down on 92 octane with the stock tune.  Might do that next time I'm down there.


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#12 tractionlimited Posted 13 November 2009 - 07:01 PM

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View PostFikseGTS, on Nov 13 2009, 07:49 AM, said:

what gear was the car dyno'd in?

solid numbers, although without a before/after graph on the same dyno it's hard to tell what you really gained.... you're about 40HP and 100tq higher than any other tune only car.... take it to the track and you'll really know how it's running... boost is holding well to redline!

4th gear

RE: the power. . . yeah, we know! We were really surprised to see these kind of numbers coming out of the 2010s with almost no mods.

RE: the track. . . unfortunately they're closed for the season around here. I do, however, have a nice flat strip of private pavement and a Driftbox that makes a very solid track substitute. I've been drag racing for years and that's how I do my tuning. Turns out that the Driftbox with 1ft rollout config'd is within 0.1s ET and 1MPH of the official strip timers on every car I've ever tested that way, which have been many. SOOO. . . I plan to do some off-season tuning that way.

Some real data points for those interested:

  • my aforementioned buddy ran 11.8 @ 120 at Bremerton Raceway in his bone stock, untuned 2010 earlier this season (included because I never ran mine untuned)
  • my first time to the track, I ran 11.54 @ 121.8 at Mission Raceway on a Cobb Stage 1 map. For reference, this same day, my buddy's car was running 116-117mph
  • my second time to the track, I ran 11.3 @ 124.6 at Pacific Raceways on a custom mail-order tune that was significantly weaker than the tune that's in it now (92 octane timing, old boost control strat, etc.)
  • with my first revision of the rpm-based boost control strategy and 92oct timing, I ran 11.1 @ 127 on my tuning track with the Driftbox timing it (two, back-to-back runs, swapping direction each time)
I haven't run the latest Surgeline tune yet. I will this weekend if the weather holds. I know it's at least 30whp and 60wtq up on the last tune I tested.  Oh, and more data: the car has 2500 miles on it and I'm 340lbs.

I think there's a real possibility to see 10.9 @ 130mph bone stock on these cars. I know. . . crazy talk. . . we'll see. :cheers:  :helpsmilie:

Edited by tractionlimited, 13 November 2009 - 07:09 PM.



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#13 mpr Posted 13 November 2009 - 07:16 PM

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impressive numbers.

What numbers were the 2009 GTR running at surgeline database with the new base boost control tuning?


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#14 bneiderman Posted 13 November 2009 - 07:24 PM

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View Posttractionlimited, on Nov 13 2009, 08:01 PM, said:

4th gear

RE: the power. . . yeah, we know! We were really surprised to see these kind of numbers coming out of the 2010s with almost no mods.

RE: the track. . . unfortunately they're closed for the season around here. I do, however, have a nice flat strip of private pavement and a Driftbox that makes a very solid track substitute. I've been drag racing for years and that's how I do my tuning. Turns out that the Driftbox with 1ft rollout config'd is within 0.1s ET and 1MPH of the official strip timers on every car I've ever tested that way, which have been many. SOOO. . . I plan to do some off-season tuning that way.

Some real data points for those interested:

  • my aforementioned buddy ran 11.8 @ 120 at Bremerton Raceway in his bone stock, untuned 2010 earlier this season (included because I never ran mine untuned)
  • my first time to the track, I ran 11.54 @ 121.8 at Mission Raceway on a Cobb Stage 1 map. For reference, this same day, my buddy's car was running 116-117mph
  • my second time to the track, I ran 11.3 @ 124.6 at Pacific Raceways on a custom mail-order tune that was significantly weaker than the tune that's in it now (92 octane timing, old boost control strat, etc.)
  • with my first revision of the rpm-based boost control strategy and 92oct timing, I ran 11.1 @ 127 on my tuning track with the Driftbox timing it (two, back-to-back runs, swapping direction each time)
I haven't run the latest Surgeline tune yet. I will this weekend if the weather holds. I know it's at least 30whp and 60wtq up on the last tune I tested. Oh, and more data: the car has 2500 miles on it and I'm 340lbs.

I think there's a real possibility to see 10.9 @ 130mph bone stock on these cars. I know. . . crazy talk. . . we'll see. :cheers:  :helpsmilie:

Jesus, if you go on a diet your car will be in the 9's!!!!! :helpsmilie:



#15 tractionlimited Posted 13 November 2009 - 07:26 PM

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View PostSlowGTR, on Nov 13 2009, 01:44 PM, said:

Tim is definitely a GT-R tuning master. Everyone at Surgeline/Cobb tuning is great. Highly recommended!

Mine made decent power, but less torque. :helpsmilie:

Bigger turbos are needed.

Yeah, but I was cheating with better fuel.  With a 100oct map and a couple more pounds of boost, you'll probably hit 600wtq with your crazy midpipe. :cheers:

Bigger turbos are definitely needed.


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#16 tractionlimited Posted 13 November 2009 - 07:28 PM

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View Postbneiderman, on Nov 13 2009, 05:24 PM, said:

Jesus, if you go on a diet your car will be in the 9's!!!!! :cheers:

HA!  Prolly. . . but that's not gonna happen.  I like my pizza way too much.


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#17 STI2EVO2GTR Posted 13 November 2009 - 08:37 PM

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So tim does e-mail tunes of the new RPm based boost control? :cheers:
and to confirm again this car is a 2010 right

Edited by STI2EVO2GTR, 13 November 2009 - 08:39 PM.




#18 celsius Posted 13 November 2009 - 09:49 PM

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CONGRATS! Tim is the man! My car is 2009 and it made 570wtq on 92 octane, so I don't think there are differences (power wise) but he suggested that I run that map with race gas. This was over 6 months ago, so it didn't have the new "boost control" map and boost fell off quickly after about 5k.If you're in the Portland area, lets race :cheers: ....hehe j/k

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#19 tractionlimited Posted 13 November 2009 - 10:16 PM

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View Postcelsius, on Nov 13 2009, 07:49 PM, said:

CONGRATS! Tim is the man!
My car is 2009 and it made 570wtq on 92 octane, so I don't think there are differences (power wise) but he suggested that I run that map with race gas. This was over 6 months ago, so it didn't have the new "boost control" map and boost fell off quickly after about 5k.
If you're in the Portland area, lets race :cheers: ....hehe j/k

Heh.  Thanks!  When the tracks open up, let's run!

Was yours full exhaust on that pull?


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#20 celsius Posted 13 November 2009 - 10:25 PM

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View Posttractionlimited, on Nov 13 2009, 08:16 PM, said:

Heh.  Thanks!  When the tracks open up, let's run!

Was yours full exhaust on that pull?


I only had the midpipe, and I think my baseline with midpipe (no tune) was ~430whp?





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