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#1 cyberevo

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Posted 03 January 2017 - 07:37 PM

I am searching for a big intercooler to support >800WHP on 93 pump gas without cutting anything.
It seems all the famous race intercooler like AMS, ETS,.... needs to trim the frame or the front bumper.
Is there any alternative solution or suggestion?
Thanks!

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#2 Uberryslow

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Posted 03 January 2017 - 08:37 PM

Off the AMS website it states no cutting/trimming required.

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Posted 04 January 2017 - 08:49 AM

I am searching for a big intercooler to support >800WHP on 93 pump gas without cutting anything.
It seems all the famous race intercooler like AMS, ETS,.... needs to trim the frame or the front bumper.
Is there any alternative solution or suggestion?
Thanks!

http://www.gtrlife.c...ler-kit/page-17
This is the topic of "Most Recommended Intercooler Kit", but I can't get any clue to make my decision.
Any comment from you pros will be highly appreciated!

 
 

Off the AMS website it states no cutting/trimming required.



This is correct, the AMS race version intercooler does not require any bumper cover or crash bar trimming. You will however need to trim the plastic shroud behind the bumper, which is true of any large intercooler core.

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Posted 04 January 2017 - 06:38 PM

Check out STM they should have stock and it's a huge core and flows as good as they get. c1cefbec61365caa47d1de6e6261f74b.jpg Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

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Posted 05 January 2017 - 05:05 PM

I am searching for a big intercooler to support >800WHP on 93 pump gas without cutting anything.
It seems all the famous race intercooler like AMS, ETS,.... needs to trim the frame or the front bumper.
Is there any alternative solution or suggestion?
Thanks!

http://www.gtrlife.c...ler-kit/page-17
This is the topic of "Most Recommended Intercooler Kit", but I can't get any clue to make my decision.
Any comment from you pros will be highly appreciated!

All large intercoolers will require some sort of trimming 

 

You can go with ETS street intercooler for no cutting 

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Posted 05 January 2017 - 07:35 PM

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#7 cyberevo

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Posted 06 January 2017 - 12:11 AM

Thanks for all these precious inputs.

I have checked AMS official website and found the installation guide of Race Intercooler : http://www.amsperfor...nstructions.pdf
It looks like cutting and trimming behind the bumper is inevitable.
I think ETS or Boostlogic need similar cutting and trimming.
How about some lately developed intercooler like Driven Innovation?

On the other hand, some local GT-R owners told me it is a waste of money to replace a Street version intercooler.
My new question would be: does the street version intercooler good enough for over 800WHP(on pump gas)?

For your information, I live in Taiwan and temperature is usually higher than 80˚F and humidity never lower than 60%.
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You can see the temperature and humidity did effect the output a little bit.
During the road test, engine knock happens at high RPM and ignition degree have to slightly decrease.

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Posted 06 January 2017 - 11:41 AM

DI also requires trimming of the radiator shroud, however it is the only one to resupport the upper supports to prevent front bumper "sag." Its also a much larger core than the others mentioned. Dyno results vs. them are in our sub forum. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

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Posted 06 January 2017 - 11:49 AM

ALL Race intercoolers are going to require some cutting/trimming of the area around the intercooler.  Most do not require cutting or trimming of the actual crash beam or fascia itself.

 

DI is NOT the only one that has a support for the front bumper, Doug at WGP is incorrect.  All three of our intercoolers have a support there for that.


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Posted 06 January 2017 - 03:30 PM

Not be be argumentative with you, Dave, but the last one I installed of yours did not... Unless you've discontinued this design? 981ff79bdb7d11ca4004160c12a42a29.jpg Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

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Posted 08 January 2017 - 07:37 PM

I think in the end of the day if I go with Race intercooler, I have to accept at least some trimming of the front bumper.
Before I make such decision, just want to confirm the earlier question: Is the street version intercooler not good enough for over 800WHP(on pump gas)under warm temperature(mostly 80~95F) and high humidity(70~100%) in my country?

Thank you all very much!!

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Posted 08 January 2017 - 07:56 PM

For perspective... if you're spending 2k on a "street" intercooler core... You're going to spend almost the same amount of money on a "race" intercooler core when you add in the cost of piping (which you'll want.) and in the case of the DI, short route intakes... Is it "good enough?" probably. Is it ideal or optimized, no. We typically see 60whp gains switching Alpha9 turbos (at 850whp) from their street to race intercooler with no change to the tune. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

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Posted 09 January 2017 - 08:01 PM

Thanks Doug, much appreciated your suggestion.
I think I will go Race intercooler in my stage 2 turbo upgrade.
Just need more study to find the one with minimum trimming or cutting.
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Posted 10 January 2017 - 12:55 AM

Thanks Doug, much appreciated your suggestion.I think I will go Race intercooler in my stage 2 turbo upgrade.Just need more study to find the one with minimum trimming or cutting.


Why is the cutting an issue for you?


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Posted 10 January 2017 - 03:24 AM

Hi Doug,

The reason to avoid cutting is simply trying to keep the front bumper as it is, if someday I want to put everything back to stock and maybe swap the parts to a 2017 or later GT-R(trade current one for it).
It is also the reason I might consider to buy a built engine for turbo upgrade then keep the original engine for spare.
That's my idea, but maybe silly.

Edited by cyberevo, 10 January 2017 - 03:31 AM.

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Posted 10 January 2017 - 05:58 AM

[quote name="droptopp" post="3163018" timestamp="1483576695"]Check out STM they should have stock and it's a huge core and flows as good as they get.

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I have the same STM cooler and very little to no cutting.
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Posted 10 January 2017 - 09:31 AM

Hi Doug,

The reason to avoid cutting is simply trying to keep the front bumper as it is, if someday I want to put everything back to stock and maybe swap the parts to a 2017 or later GT-R(trade current one for it).
It is also the reason I might consider to buy a built engine for turbo upgrade then keep the original engine for spare.
That's my idea, but maybe silly.

Your not cutting the front bumper but rather shrouds behind the bumper.


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Posted 10 January 2017 - 09:51 AM

Race IC is a must where you live. I know because I am from there, lol.

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Posted 10 January 2017 - 07:25 PM

Thanks for all the inputs.
I am more than happy to be one of the members in this community.

Edited by cyberevo, 10 January 2017 - 07:26 PM.

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Posted 11 January 2017 - 02:05 PM

yea i dont think any race intercooler requires you to cut the actual bumper.  They all require cutting of the shroud behind the bumper however.  Only a few support the front bumper crossmemeber as well like doug said.  Its a known issue with lost of race intercoolers for it to sag slightly.  DI is the only one i know of that supports it, the buschur billet BFIC does not.




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