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#1 GTRHOLIC

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Posted 15 February 2017 - 11:33 PM

This what happens when you use octane booster in your car ..Torco, Boostane ..etc. :)

Wondering if i should buy new primary a/f sensors .. Shop who put my down pipes says they're just fine, what do u think ?

 

Also what else could be affected form this stuff ? is there anything i should be concerned with ?

 

 

 

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Edit: It's all good! see my post# 25


Edited by GTRHOLIC, 20 March 2017 - 10:43 PM.


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Posted 16 February 2017 - 02:46 AM

My understanding was this is caused by Torco and not Boostane. Which have you been using? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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Posted 16 February 2017 - 03:51 AM

I was talkin in general .. Torco or Boostane both can cause this.

Answering your question .. i was using Boostane. 


Edited by GTRHOLIC, 16 February 2017 - 04:35 AM.


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Posted 16 February 2017 - 07:16 AM

From what I was told it's normal and fine. Shouldn't be any issues. I bet mine look just like that from Torco. LoL

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Posted 16 February 2017 - 02:48 PM

I was talkin in general .. Torco or Boostane both can cause this.

Answering your question .. i was using Boostane. 

 

Thanks for clarifying. I would like Bob @ BSE to shed some more light on this and if there are other parts that the users of Boostane should carefully maintain. Bob is a Boostane distribute.


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Posted 16 February 2017 - 05:46 PM

Spark plugs only last 10,000 miles according to Bob. Just changed mine. O2 sensors ...... I have not had an issue with .

I run Torco but in really low quantities..... 16 oz to 10 gallons produces 93 .

AZ gas is very poor and 91 here is not the same as 91 in TX etc.

Bob at BSE is the expert.........


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Posted 16 February 2017 - 08:47 PM

Now I'm getting mixed opinions lol .. Someone confirms pls!



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Posted 16 February 2017 - 09:00 PM

I always encourage people to add 2 or 3 gallons of e85 with every fill up of shit 91 instead of using torco, boostane, toluene, or any other octane booster.

Ethanol is more than just a better octane booster (no manganese or toluene or other horrible stuff). It also lowers combustion temps which none of those octane boosters can.

Edited by gyoja, 16 February 2017 - 09:02 PM.

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Posted 16 February 2017 - 09:50 PM

Gyoja - spoke to a couple people that had bad experiences with adding 2 or 3 gallons of E85 to 91/93 octane without a tune for it. I was very close to trying it till several people in that thread said it did not go well for them. I'll stick with octane booster since the orange residue is harmless. There are folks on Subaru forums that have like 100k miles on motor with Torco or other octane boosters.

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Posted 16 February 2017 - 11:06 PM

I always encourage people to add 2 or 3 gallons of e85 with every fill up of shit 91 instead of using torco, boostane, toluene, or any other octane booster.

Ethanol is more than just a better octane booster (no manganese or toluene or other horrible stuff). It also lowers combustion temps which none of those octane boosters can.

 

I have 0 access to E85 :)



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Posted 17 February 2017 - 12:03 AM

Gyoja - spoke to a couple people that had bad experiences with adding 2 or 3 gallons of E85 to 91/93 octane without a tune for it. I was very close to trying it till several people in that thread said it did not go well for them. I'll stick with octane booster since the orange residue is harmless. There are folks on Subaru forums that have like 100k miles on motor with Torco or other octane boosters.



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Posted 17 February 2017 - 08:38 PM

I'd have to try and find the thread that they were talking about. If I find it I'll let you know.

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Posted 17 February 2017 - 08:41 PM

Gyoja - Here's the thread:

http://www.gtrlife.c...s/?fromsearch=1

Guess throws the fuel trims off

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Posted 17 February 2017 - 09:55 PM

I have a hard time believing anyone has had any issue with 2 or 3 gallons of e85 in a full tank of pump gas. I have personally administered this extra 2 to 3 gallon of e85 to not hundreds, but thousands of cars that came to my station up here in Vancouver where our 94 octane fuel is garbage. Not a single one had any issues with the extra fuel requirement at these ethanol levels. Ive run in excess of 30% ethanol on my stock vehicles in various experiments. My dba Gtr included prior to any tuning.

Yes, a flex fuel kit is of course the right answer, however, as I've said before 2 or 3 gallons of e85 in a 20 gallon tank raises the ethanol content from what would be e10 up to e17.5 to e21.25.

So the fuel trim variation assuming 50% more fuel for ethanol over gasoline is between 3.75 and 5.625% over E10

If the STOCK Nissan OEM tune can't tolerate a 3.75% to 5.625% increase in STFT then the ECM in the gtr is the biggest piece of shit since megasquirt.

Now, if you are tuned then get the car tuned for e20 and trims aren't an issue. Or get a flex fuel kit.

But again this was a suggestion made for people who are stock and are running into limp mode from the stock ignition advance strategy of the dba models in places like Cali, Nevada, and Arizona. Better to have 5% increase in fuel trims than to keep hitting limp mode for those that want to leave their dba stock wouldn't you agree?
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Posted 18 February 2017 - 04:48 AM

I have a hard time believing anyone has had any issue with 2 or 3 gallons of e85 in a full tank of pump gas. I have personally administered this extra 2 to 3 gallon of e85 to not hundreds, but thousands of cars that came to my station up here in Vancouver where our 94 octane fuel is garbage. Not a single one had any issues with the extra fuel requirement at these ethanol levels. Ive run in excess of 30% ethanol on my stock vehicles in various experiments. My dba Gtr included prior to any tuning.

Yes, a flex fuel kit is of course the right answer, however, as I've said before 2 or 3 gallons of e85 in a 20 gallon tank raises the ethanol content from what would be e10 up to e17.5 to e21.25.

So the fuel trim variation assuming 50% more fuel for ethanol over gasoline is between 3.75 and 5.625% over E10

If the STOCK Nissan OEM tune can't tolerate a 3.75% to 5.625% increase in STFT then the ECM in the gtr is the biggest piece of shit since megasquirt.

Now, if you are tuned then get the car tuned for e20 and trims aren't an issue. Or get a flex fuel kit.

But again this was a suggestion made for people who are stock and are running into limp mode from the stock ignition advance strategy of the dba models in places like Cali, Nevada, and Arizona. Better to have 5% increase in fuel trims than to keep hitting limp mode for those that want to leave their dba stock wouldn't you agree?

Agreed!



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Posted 18 February 2017 - 05:57 AM

I have a hard time believing anyone has had any issue with 2 or 3 gallons of e85 in a full tank of pump gas. I have personally administered this extra 2 to 3 gallon of e85 to not hundreds, but thousands of cars that came to my station up here in Vancouver where our 94 octane fuel is garbage. Not a single one had any issues with the extra fuel requirement at these ethanol levels. Ive run in excess of 30% ethanol on my stock vehicles in various experiments. My dba Gtr included prior to any tuning.

Yes, a flex fuel kit is of course the right answer, however, as I've said before 2 or 3 gallons of e85 in a 20 gallon tank raises the ethanol content from what would be e10 up to e17.5 to e21.25.

So the fuel trim variation assuming 50% more fuel for ethanol over gasoline is between 3.75 and 5.625% over E10

If the STOCK Nissan OEM tune can't tolerate a 3.75% to 5.625% increase in STFT then the ECM in the gtr is the biggest piece of shit since megasquirt.

Now, if you are tuned then get the car tuned for e20 and trims aren't an issue. Or get a flex fuel kit.

But again this was a suggestion made for people who are stock and are running into limp mode from the stock ignition advance strategy of the dba models in places like Cali, Nevada, and Arizona. Better to have 5% increase in fuel trims than to keep hitting limp mode for those that want to leave their dba stock wouldn't you agree?

 

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I wish if I have access to E85,  I would push my car even further  :biggrin:



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Posted 18 February 2017 - 06:23 AM

Makes sense. What if you are slightly modded on stock tune? I have AAM 2.75 intakes wrapped in DEI heat tape, MXP catless/unresonated midpipe and MXP straight pipe race exhaust. Would it still work fine normal cruising, hard driving and drag racing with 2-3 gallons of E85 with full tank of 93? Currently I use Torco just to get the most power I can and it seems to work. Ran 10.5 on stock tune at 130.

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Posted 18 February 2017 - 11:55 AM

Do you have means by which to datalog?
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Posted 19 February 2017 - 01:03 AM

I don't think so. I'm stock tune so can't datalog. LoL

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Posted 19 February 2017 - 01:13 AM

If you can find someone with ecutek you can datalog with your own stock oem map. Pretty sure you can do the same with an unmarried Cobb
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