Next generation Honda NSX
Posted 05 December 2011 - 10:59 PM
"will honda release an NSX? yes, but when and will it be a supercar? no it will not be a supercar but it will be plenty fast, it will be EV or hybrid and it will be able to corner very well like the prior car..."
I'm not sure why anyone would expect the new NSX to be any less a supercar than the GTR? I would like the person who posted this to clarify what a "supercar" is because they obviously haven't put much thought into that statement.
Posted 06 December 2011 - 05:07 AM
Just saying that there is nothing in the press about what your saying.
if the avengers car is it its massively ugly but a good size to be a fast sports car. Gtr fast is yet to be seen. Honda doesn't make me happy at all and they need to do a lot to make me want to buy anything they make. I don't see them on the right path but who knows. I can only hope it will be awesome like the original nsx was and this new car proves itself. Still won't make me buy any acura/Honda tho.
Posted 12 December 2011 - 04:24 PM
Wish it would look more like this - http://www.image.mot...arters-view.jpg
The 2nd link I posted looks better than the first and better than the avengers car. They really need a new design. Why wouod I buy any acura over a lexus/infinity etc? And taking the nsx to this ugly place doesn't help. On top of that fans (not myself) are up in arms about hybrid and 4wd lol. So they will rely heavily on performance numbers and since this will be a prototype looks will most likly be updated or made more bland once production hits. Few more weeks and well see the final and maybe the design will grow on me/others. if it looks anything like the avengers car (<-other pics of the avengers car) it will not grow on me at all, however the above scetch has potential.
I don't let bad movies sway my opinions either. I did enjoy iron man 1 but it wasnt good enough for me to watch again (I'm a really harsh movie critic).
here is more info from what was said about the new CONCEPT - http://vtec.net/news...item_id=1020643
Alongside the flagship, a new "super sports car" shares the role as the range topper for Acura. Acura didn't officially call it the NSX during their presentation, but everybody we spoke with following the presentation said it was indeed the NSX successor. I took that as good news. UPDATE: In their press release released this morning, Acura is calling it the "NSX Concept". Some text below is updated to reflect that.
Acura showed us the actual NSX Concept which will be revealed in Detroit next month. Unfortunately there was no photography allowed, but I can tell you that this will be one of the biggest reveals for Acura in recent history. Basically this is the car that was spied on the "Avengers" set late in the Summer, but it's clearly been further developed and it's also in hard-top form. Finished in a sliver paint, the concept is absolutely stunning, and carries on the NSX tradition of a mid-engine, rear-wheel drive layout. The design is muscular, futuristic, and sharp, and vaguely similar to the Audi R8.
Compared to the "Avengers" car, the front end on this concept actually has working LED headlights - there are 5 "squircle" projectors embedded within each headlight housing. The rear bumper is also virtually identical to the "Avengers" car but with a real roof and backlight and more "production-looking" taillights, the overall visage is considerably different. Like the "flagship", the exhaust finishers are integrated into the bumper. A really cool (but not necessarily original) styling element is the "flying buttress" C-pillars. The C-pillars feature a "pass-through" which appears to be designed to channel air smoothly around the cockpit and over the rear of the vehicle. It's like an elongated version of the flying buttress seen on the Ferrari 599 - the NSX has a much faster angle on the backlight, which naturally lengthens the C-pillar. The gap between the C-pillar and the glass is fairly narrow, however. For the record, this concept wore Michelin Pilot Super Sport tires in 255/35ZR19 size up front, and 275/30ZR20s in the rear.
Acura wouldn't tell us anything about the engine or powertrain, but off the record they were quick to tell us that the announced Electric SH-AWD system with 3.5L DI V6 was clearly not potent enough for this car. It should be noted that THAT powertrain, with its 7-speed dual clutch gearbox and 3 electric motors, develops a peak output in the neighborhood of 400hp. Obviously with the MR layout, Honda has to engineer a very specific setup for this car, and we're assuming it will essentially be a reversed layout compared to the FF-oriented design which was revealed previously.
We are hopeful that it will receive a very special high output, high revving gasoline engine that is fitting of the NSX heritage, while leveraging the electric motors and onboard battery to deliver on the "smart luxury" promise of excellent fuel economy. Acura told us that they would be releasing more information and details about this car at the upcoming Detroit Auto Show.
even this render would be worlds better - http://autoten.com/w...-NSX-render.jpg
also it was noted that this new car would be a "super sports car"... thats like saying its not a supercar but it will be very fast. with around 400hp, the weight of a hybrid components and amazing handling it will be a super sporty car.
EDIT: i guess you have to pay for this, so here is a copy paste of it: http://www.autoweek....RNEWS/111219999
Ito killed a previous NSX concept after the autumn 2008 Lehman Brothers meltdown destroyed Honda's desire to re-enter the segment. The project has been revived, but Ito has changed the concept.
"Our approach is efficiency and a strong power-to-weight ratio," said Acura sales boss Jeff Conrad. "The original NSX did this. But the proposed successor went into the classic world of a heavy vehicle, requiring a V10 engine and other technologies to be a performance car."
Conrad adds: "That is not Acura DNA. If we are thinking about being sporty, we need to do it with the machine's efficiency. That's the thing we can do. The way we achieve it will be unique to Acura."
In addition to the NSX's compact V6, the lithium ion battery-powered Sport Hybrid All-Wheel Drive system uses two integrated drive units at the rear wheels connected to a motor-generator that delivers power.
Regenerative brakes will capture electricity and deliver torque to the outside wheel--while absorbing negative torque from the inside wheel--as the car goes through a corner.
American Honda President Tetsuo Iwamura did not set a date for the NSX's launch, saying: "We hope within three years. ... As soon as possible."
Too much machine
Despite the NSX's go-fast ambitions, a major part of Acura's new philosophy will be dialing back on performance in exchange for fuel economy. Executives say that today's luxury cars have more power than they need, and that premium-vehicle buyers now care more about mpg than mph.
Conrad said Acura has returned to its original philosophy of elegant engineering and top-of-class fuel economy, and has stopped chasing the elite of the luxury segment. The new slogan: "Smart luxury."
Mike Accavitti, the former head of Dodge who became American Honda's vice president of marketing in August, describes the current luxury market as "too much machine and not enough humanity."
Said Accavitti: "Our overweight bodies require overweight engines and more safety systems to protect them. Some of these cars the average driver just can't control. We have been increasing performance beyond the ability of the driver, or we have complicated the driving process."
Poponi said of Acura's previous batch of products: "Our engineering ego was getting in the way."
Peaks and valleys
American Honda hopes this philosophy can stabilize Acura's sales, which have peaked twice--once in the early 1990s and again in setting a brand record in 2005, at 209,610 units. But each time things fell apart because of ill-conceived products and faulty marketing--not to mention the recent recession. This year, sales through November were down 7 percent to 110,170. Honda says short supplies caused by the March earthquake in Japan were a factor.
For a new crop of customers, Honda is looking at Generation Y. The leading edge of that generation is turning 30, and Honda says the generation's top priorities are exterior styling, price and environmental friendliness.
"A good sound system" finished fifth in its research, and less than 20 percent care about high performance, Honda says.
"Technology is only as good as the driver," said Gary Evert, division director for advanced automotive planning at Acura r&d. "The vehicle almost always has more capability than the driver can handle. Anything outside the customer's understanding is waste."
Edited by MindlessOath, 12 December 2011 - 06:59 PM.
Posted 12 December 2011 - 06:20 PM
Posted 12 December 2011 - 08:48 PM
Some quick highlights on the 2013 NSX, shared with us by Acura executives:
- It will be a midengine two-seater, like the original.
- Unlike the earlier NSX, the new Acura performance flagship will feature a V6 hybrid powertrain.
- The new NSX will be similar in proportion to the original car, but with more aggressive styling.
The next-generation NSX is expected to share Honda's new SH-AWD hybrid system with the 2013 successor to the Acura RL sedan. The system mates a high-output V6 engine with a pair of electric motors and a seven-speed dual-clutch automatic. Honda says the V6 hybrid system, which drives all four wheels, will provide "acceleration equivalent to V8 engines," with the fuel economy of a four-cylinder.
The NSX prototype that will be shown in Detroit will be an exterior design "buck" only, with no interior. It will ride on five-spoke alloy rims shod with Michelin Pilot Super Sport tires — 255/35ZR19 front and 275/30ZR20 rear.
The front end of the new car resembles that of the movie car Acura built for the new Avengers movie currently in production. The prototype features a low nose, low cowl and thin A-pillars, much like the original NSX, but is wider, with edgier styling.
Honda's ground-breaking, midengine NSX was built from 1990-2005 and sold in the U.S. under the Acura brand. In 2008, the company killed a proposed front-engine V10 four-wheel-drive supercoupe, ostensibly to rival Lexus' LFA, but a racing version with a 3.4-liter V8, carbon-fiber chassis and rear-wheel drive survived as the HSV-010, winning Japan's Super GT series championship in 2010.
Inside Line says: We would have preferred a V8 hybrid — but will withhold judgment until we put the V6 through its paces.
Posted 12 December 2011 - 08:53 PM
I gotta agree with you on that too, MindlessOath. I read somewhere today (gonna grab the link later) that it'll "resemble" the avengers car, but it won't have that open top thingamajig. Im partial to the looks on the GT-R, but honestly, it grew on me. Especially the 2012 facelift. I can see the 2nd pic of that NSX growing on me real fast if it comes close to it.
Posted 13 December 2011 - 02:10 AM
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Posted 18 December 2011 - 11:41 PM
Why would people want a ZR1, an old washed up design thats going on 5 years? The GTR is undoubtably a good car but the new NSX will have enhancements on the GTR, and likely will not have the high vehicle weight, noisy shifting and bad brakes we hear the GTR is notorious for. Plus from the rumors it will have crazy gas mileage, something to think about as things start to get crazy again in the middle east. Wait until Jan. 9th for the Detroit Auto Show when the new NSX goes on display and we will see once and for all what Acura is going to be giving us.
Posted 02 January 2012 - 12:49 AM
The Honda NSX supercar is set to return as a 400bhp four-wheel-drive hybrid. Honda has already confirmed that a new NSX will be revealed at the Detroit Motor Show in January, and now we have more information on the Japanese Audi R8 rival.
We’ve already seen spy shots of a concept car on the set of thenew Avengers movie, and we’ve since had confirmation that the Detroit show car will be heavily based on that model. Our images show a coupe, but the final production version will also be offered as a roadster.
The concept will be shown as an Acura – the firm’sluxuryNorth American arm – but it will be badged as a Honda when it arrives in the UK, and retain its forebear’s NSX name. Power will come from a 3.5-litre V6 driving one axle and a pair of in-wheel electric motors to turn the other. This will give the NSX four-wheel-drive traction and 400bhp-plus. Performance will be impressive, with 0-62mph taking under five seconds.
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