MarkG, on 03 February 2012 - 10:03 AM, said:
I'm really surprised at how much hatred and negativity there is against the GTR and those that like it by some of the regular posters here. No matter what nice things some say about the car they will jump in and counter it and then insult the person.
Anyway, this is an interesting comparison but I can see why Autocar did it. The GTR is kind of the benchmark in many ways, so any new car with performance pretentions needs to have a crack at it. To be the king, you have to beat the king.
I have an F10 550i M-sport. It's kind of an M5 lite, as it has the same engine and same underpinnings as the new M5, just detuned and softened. I'm looking forward to driving the new M5, but based on the 550i, I'm not expecting a sport-car experience. The 550i is a luxo-cruiser. It's quick, but very soft and not very confidence-inspiring. The engine is so quiet I sometimes don't know if the car is actually on. I'm sure the M guys will work their magic, but the chassis of the F10 is such that this will NOT be a visceral sports car. It's big and heavy (and people call the GTR heavy!!), and it feels it...more so than my previous X5M or X5 4.8, for that matter, soft and excessively refined. I call mine the black cloud, if that tells you anything. Disappointing for a BMW, IMO.
That is akin to someone being called "unpatriotic" for being critical of their government...but please show me specific instances of negativity or hatred for the GT-R. Just because some owners don't wax-poetic over every aspect of the GT-R doesn't mean they are spewing hatred for it. I LOVE ALL GT-Rs....just not the sycophantic fan boys.. who have drunk the Kool-Aid and have no personal experience with the car to know its limitations. Personally, I.believe every model year the R35 GT-R has improved.... what most current GT-R owners seem to disagree about is whether the bar has been raised enough from one model year to the next to justify trading in their current GT-R for the newest one. I also personally think Mizuno-san has over-hyped the '13 GT-R. I figured if his claimed acceleration times were to be believed the '13 GT-R would need a significant hp and tq increase, with all else being equal (weight, gearing, launch software). So far every legitimate independent test hasn't shown that significant of a difference between the '12 GT-R and '13 GT-R. If pointing that out makes me a "hater" in your eyes...or anyone else's... so be it...
Edited by Tom C, 03 February 2012 - 10:56 AM.