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#1 descartesfool Posted 07 March 2013 - 07:38 PM

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I have been running Nitto NT-01's on 18x10 22 mm offset wheels for many years on track. I read on another forum about some people testing the new Hankook RS-3's that they were just as good as the R compound Nitto NT-01's on track on a track prepped Sti. And from reports on here, the new BFG Rival might be even better than the RS-3's, with less wear. I was looking at the following sizes in a square setup. The following tires are all about the same price, around $300 each.

Nitto NT-01----------------275/40/18 26.7" OD UTQG 100, R Comp (no rubbing)
BFG Rival ----------------275/35/18 95W 25.6" OD or 295/35/18 99W 26.1" OD UTQG 200, street
Hankook R-S3------------285/35/18 101W 25.9" OD UTQG 140, street

I was also considering a a full slick from Toyo, the R1S which the motorsports Toyo rep at the PRI show told was lasting as long at the R888 on a customer's GT-R due to its endurance compound design. These are more, around $425 each.

Toyo RS1 -----------------285/680/18 26.8" OD

My use is strictly for track, no street driving. Looking for something that has good grip and lasts long enough, longer than Hoosier R6's or other 40 treadwear R comps. Not looking for the fastest tire, just a fast one. I'm not considering R888's as they cost more than the Nitto's and don't offer any better performance or longevity since they are more or less the same tire as the NT-01 (Toyo owns Nitto). I am also looking for something more track oriented than the Michelin PSS. Really only considering going to the new street tire since reports so far seem quite good for track use. But I am really used to running R comps, so I don't want to downgrade lap time by going to  a street tire.

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#2 Jon H Posted 12 March 2013 - 06:19 PM

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I'm currently running the RS3s, but in the 20" variety. If the NT01s are like the R888s, the RS3s are a nice and quiet tire with almost as good grip.. but I don't know if I would use them as a separate track only set. I'd go for something stickier. Maybe it was in my head, but the turn in didn't feel as sharp as the R888s.

If it were me, I'd be tempted to try out those RS1s. What about Yoko A048s?

How are you liking those NT01s? About how many track days are you getting out of them?

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#3 nlpamg Posted 12 March 2013 - 09:47 PM

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Subscribed. I'm trying to decide between the R888, RS3, or Rival to put on my stock wheels for track and some street.


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#4 konaforever Posted 13 March 2013 - 12:52 PM

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I'm planning on running the BFG's square this year. I'll report after!


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#5 descartesfool Posted 13 March 2013 - 01:36 PM

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View PostJon H, on 12 March 2013 - 06:19 PM, said:

I'm currently running the RS3s, but in the 20" variety. If the NT01s are like the R888s, the RS3s are a nice and quiet tire with almost as good grip.. but I don't know if I would use them as a separate track only set. I'd go for something stickier. Maybe it was in my head, but the turn in didn't feel as sharp as the R888s.

If it were me, I'd be tempted to try out those RS1s. What about Yoko A048s?

How are you liking those NT01s? About how many track days are you getting out of them?

I like the NT-01's a lot. Depending on the number of laps per track day which can vary a lot depending on club, I get about 5-6 days from a set with tire rotation (square setup). Typical lap days I do are open lapping or advanced and so would have about 3 hours on the track from 7 sessions per day, so that amounts to about 15-18 hours on track including warm up and cool down laps. It could be slightly less, I don't always keep track of my track time. Obviously they are not as fast at the end as they are at the start.

I would not bother with A048's. Old tire.



#6 Jon H Posted 13 March 2013 - 03:32 PM

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Wow that's a lot of track time on those tires!


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#7 vividracing Posted 13 March 2013 - 05:59 PM

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I dont have and personal experience with the rivals but imo you will be better off on a set of shaved rs'3 over the nt01's


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#8 shawnhayes Posted 19 March 2013 - 05:48 AM

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If I could fit 18"s over my brakes?

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#9 bli8 Posted 15 June 2013 - 12:02 AM

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I ran a set of NT01's a few years back on both my EVO X and 996 GT3 and if I remember correctly, they were NOT (edit, I forgot to type the NOT) all that noisy, not anywhere nearly as noisy as the R888 and they will be available in 285/35-20 soon.  

Scroll down to the bottom of the tire size chart
http://www.nittotire.../Tire/nt01#size

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#10 shawnhayes Posted 15 June 2013 - 05:22 AM

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View Postbli8, on 15 June 2013 - 12:02 AM, said:

I ran a set of NT01's a few years back on both my EVO X and 996 GT3 and if I remember correctly, they were all that noisy, not anywhere nearly as noisy as the R888 and they will be available in 285/35-20 soon.  

Scroll down to the bottom of the tire size chart
http://www.nittotire.../Tire/nt01#size

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#11 Perra Posted 15 June 2013 - 02:32 PM

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But which are the fastest tires for track? I don´t care if they´re 18", 19" or 20" but they have to be DOT legal and have E-markings as I live in Europe etc... So Hoosiers are out of the question as well as slicks.


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#12 descartesfool Posted 15 June 2013 - 04:02 PM

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Wow, now they have 305/35/18's in the NT-01, fits 10" wheels and 26.4" diameter. Might just have to step up from my current 275/40/18's.

In terms of which tires are fastest that aren't Hoosiers or slicks, I would imagine Toyo R888 and Nitto NT-01's are the same since both made by Toyo. Not much else available that has tread in an R compound. Pilot Sport Cups perhaps, not sure if they have a new model that is GT-R appropriate. Yokohama has the A048, Pirelli has the Trofeo series track tire which is legal for road use. Not sure what else there is for road use or which is fastest.

Track tires wear out fast on a GT-R, so just buy one model, and 3-5 days later you can buy another model and tell us which is fastest.



#13 icarus Posted 15 June 2013 - 04:07 PM

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35 profile is borderline for an 18" rim, 275 width in my opinion.  I think the NT01 275/40 stands up to the weight and heat generated by the GT-R.

305/35 works fine though, ran R888 in this size for some time.  However a bit of a squeeze on 10" rim.  I have 10.5"

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#14 descartesfool Posted 16 June 2013 - 07:03 AM

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NT-01's in 275/40/18 can definitely stand up to the weight and heat generated by the GT-R on track. But car could use even more tire, as when you push hard you can certainly get it to step out. I have been running those tires on track for years and have been very happy with them, and they are very well priced.

There is another new R compound that can be driven on the street, and that is the Dunlop Sport Maxx Race. But it only comes in 19" sizes at the moment, and the price is nothing short of insane: $699 each for a 285/30/19 and curiously "only" $600 for the wider 305/30/19. I won't be trying those out anytime soon.



#15 icarus Posted 16 June 2013 - 08:40 AM

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I saw on Nitto's website you can get the NT01 in 285/35/20 size now too!


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#16 AtlSupra Posted 19 June 2013 - 08:51 AM

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Have you tried BFG R1?  they offer pretty good size and last much longer than R6.  I am not impressed with R6 as its belt broke on me and my brother several times with tires maybe only had 3-4 heat cycles which never happened when we used BFG R1.  They are the official tire for NASA Spec Z (350Zs) races now as well as some other races.  I have used NT01s in the past, they are sticky good tires and they last forever, but at near end of it's life, it gets a bit more unpredictable in my case.  I am actually shopping for new tires now, it's nice Nitto finally released 305s which I will consider getting it or using the R1s.

PS:  although Toyo listed the new slick, they are not available in 18s yet.  All the ones I have seen are in smaller sizes now.

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#17 DarKngt Posted 25 July 2013 - 08:22 PM

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Bumping this thread as I'm torn between the rivals and nt01s, as well as the trofeo R for my next set of tires...anyone tried either for the track yet?


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#18 Perra Posted 26 July 2013 - 10:35 AM

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I´m  VERY curious to know how theTrofeo R work on the GT-R. If you try them, please report back.


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#19 nlpamg Posted 26 July 2013 - 10:49 AM

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View PostPerra, on 26 July 2013 - 10:35 AM, said:

I´m  VERY curious to know how theTrofeo R work on the GT-R. If you try them, please report back.

Indeed.  Especially since they have a 295/35/20 available in the Trofeo R.


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#20 DarKngt Posted 07 August 2013 - 06:14 PM

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Decided against the R comps, and Just ordered a set of BFG Rivals, 285/35/20 squared. Will hopefully get to try them out in a couple weeks.


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