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#21 godzila2009 Posted 31 July 2013 - 08:31 PM

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#22 ATL_GT-R Posted 31 July 2013 - 08:32 PM

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View PostVEGASGTR, on 31 July 2013 - 08:30 PM, said:


+1. I would have the builder fix this shit.

Or at a bare minimum not taken it to the vendor that has built the least amount if engines (respectfully, by virtue if time).


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#23 Grunt0322 Posted 31 July 2013 - 08:38 PM

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#24 HighlanderD Posted 31 July 2013 - 08:43 PM

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View PostATL_GT-R, on 31 July 2013 - 08:32 PM, said:


Or at a bare minimum not taken it to the vendor that has built the least amount if engines (respectfully, by virtue if time).
I can appreciate that.  I'm local to the customer and he's a friend of a friend.  Also, the machinists we use to machine the engines and inspect the blocks have built many, many engines ;)


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#25 ATL_GT-R Posted 31 July 2013 - 08:45 PM

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View PostDoug@WGP, on 31 July 2013 - 08:43 PM, said:

I can appreciate that.  I'm local to the customer and he's a friend of a friend.  Also, the machinists we use to machine the engines and inspect the blocks have built many, many engines ;)

Fair enough.  Best of luck and thank you for not taking that the wrong way because I didn't say it as well as I could have.


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#26 HighlanderD Posted 31 July 2013 - 08:47 PM

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View PostATL_GT-R, on 31 July 2013 - 08:45 PM, said:


Fair enough.  Best of luck and thank you for not taking that the wrong way because I didn't say it as well as I could have.
No worries.  I'm on the customer's side always.  I don't play inter-shop politic games.  In fact, I'd never even heard of where this work was done.


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#27 GTR545 Posted 31 July 2013 - 08:54 PM

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That's amazing that you have never heard of the place. You probably know lots of builders out their.


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#28 HighlanderD Posted 31 July 2013 - 09:15 PM

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The facts as we know them are as follow:

1.  A shop built this vehicle for the customer with a built motor, built trans, AAM900 turbos, and supporting mods.
2. The shop delivered the car back to the customer with less than 20 miles on the new motor, and upon the first drive, the car displayed no oil pressure on the MFD.
3. Shortly thereafter, the low oil light came on in the car and it developed a knocking noise from the engine.
4. The car was shut down and delivered to us in this condition.


I'm sure there is a lot more to the story, but this is what we know right now.

Here's what we found on the initial inspection and removal of the engine from the car.

1. The BCM module harness connector was not locked down in the ECU compartment.
2. We removed the oil pan and there was a large amount of bearing material in it.
3. Several body components were missing, including the front undertrays, front tunnel support brace, and rear exhaust heat shield for the trans cooler.
4. The car was equipped with a Air to Water Intercooler with a tank in the exhaust muffler area and 10AN lines running to the front of the car.  These lines ran through the transmission tunnel, and were rubbing the driveshafts, exhaust, and axles to the point of failure in several areas with minimal support.
5. The battery support bracket was missing, and a non-oem battery was being held down with twine.
6. The passenger marker light harness was disconnected and zip-tied to the oil cooler.
7. The foam bumper support was broken and secured to the car with painter's tape
8. The main structural braces on both sides of the car that secure the front carbon clip to the steel frame of the car in the fenderwells were missing.
9. The intercooler piping utilized V-Band clamps with permatex on them, which I've never seen before, and doubt that they were air tight.
10. Permatex Black was used on the threads of all AN fittings.
11. The radiator and overflow tank were filled with bearing material.
12.  The front passenger ABS harness was broken and the wires were pinned directly into the female side of the harness.
13.  The T1 Fuel rail feed had been tapped to accept an AN to NPT fitting, with PTFE paste on the threads, which appeared to be leaking.
14.  The wastegate adjustment arms had been welded together.
15. The turbo drains had been zip-tied to the body and were rubbing on the front axle stubs.
16. One of the lower intercooler couplers was ripped.
17. The exhaust manifold gaskets were missing on both sides, and instead high temp rubber gasket sealer was used.  This appeared to be leaking on the passenger side.
18. The Driver side upper control arm bolt was stripped out.
19.  The PCV system had been deleted, and the PCV outlets on the valve covers had been removed, tapped for 6AN, and were open to atmosphere.
20.  The front bumper support clips under the sides of the headlights were missing.
21.  The front diffuser support brackets to the crash beam were missing.
22.  Various misc. body fasteners and trim were missing.
23.  The driver side frame had been clearanced to avoid contact with the wastegate actuator on the turbo.

Edited by Doug@WGP, 31 July 2013 - 09:21 PM.



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#29 HighlanderD Posted 31 July 2013 - 09:19 PM

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#30 Soopastank Posted 31 July 2013 - 09:20 PM

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Good Lord!! Poor car and poor owner. That is incredible that a shop could do something like that  :lame:  

View PostDoug@WGP, on 31 July 2013 - 09:15 PM, said:

The facts as we know them are as follow:

1.  A shop built this vehicle for the customer with a built motor, built trans, AAM900 turbos, and supporting mods.
2. The shop delivered the car back to the customer with less than 20 miles on the new motor, and upon the first drive, the car displayed no oil pressure on the MFD.
3. Shortly thereafter, the low oil light came on in the car and it developed a knocking noise from the engine.
4. The car was shut down and delivered to us in this condition.


I'm sure there is a lot more to the story, but this is what we know right now.

Here's what we found on the initial inspection and removal of the engine from the car.

1. The BCM module harness connector was not locked down in the ECU compartment.
2. We removed the oil pan and there was a large amount of bearing material in it.
3. Several body components were missing, including the front undertrays, front tunnel support brace, and rear exhaust heat shield for the trans cooler.
4. The car was equipped with a Air to Water Intercooler with a tank in the exhaust muffler area and 10AN lines running to the front of the car.  These lines ran through the transmission tunnel, and were rubbing the driveshafts, exhaust, and axles to the point of failure in several areas with minimal support.
5. The battery support bracket was missing, and a non-oem battery was being held down with twine.
6. The passenger marker light harness was disconnected and zip-tied to the oil cooler.
7. The foam bumper support was broken and secured to the car with painter's tape
8. The main structural braces on both sides of the car that secure the front carbon clip to the steel frame of the car in the fenderwells were missing.
9. The intercooler piping utilized V-Band clamps with permatex on them, which I've never seen before, and doubt that they were air tight.
10. Permatex Black was used on the threads of all AN fittings.
11. The radiator and overflow tank were filled with bearing material.
12.  The front passenger ABS harness was broken and the wires were pinned directly into the female side of the harness.
13.  The T1 Fuel rail feed had been tapped to accept an AN to NPT fitting, with PTFE paste on the threads, which appeared to be leaking.
14.  The wastegate adjustment arms had been welded together.
15. The turbo drains had been zip-tied to the body and were rubbing on the front axle stubs.
16. One of the lower intercooler couplers was ripped.
17. The exhaust manifold gaskets were missing on both sides, and instead high temp rubber gasket sealer was used.  This appeared to be leaking on the passenger side.
18. The Driver side upper control arm bolt was stripped out.
19.  The PCV system had been deleted, and the PCV outlets on the valve covers had been removed, tapped for 6AN, and were open to atmosphere.
20.  The front bumper support clips under the sides of the headlights were missing.
21.  The front diffuser support brackets to the crash beam were missing.
22.  Various misc. body fasteners and trim were missing.



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#31 superlubricity Posted 31 July 2013 - 09:24 PM

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#32 Tachsman Posted 31 July 2013 - 09:30 PM

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Based on the fact sheet above today should have been April 1!  That is incredible!

Edit: I forgot to ask, could the mechanics have been Larry, Darryl and Darryl?

Edited by Tachsman, 31 July 2013 - 09:34 PM.




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Amazing. You see where I work, we get cars in like that once in a while. Can't believe some people.




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View PostTachsman, on 31 July 2013 - 09:30 PM, said:

Based on the fact sheet above today should have been April 1!  That is incredible!
I think the build started around then? :-D


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#35 sofar Posted 31 July 2013 - 09:31 PM

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View PostDoug@WGP, on 31 July 2013 - 09:15 PM, said:

The facts as we know them are as follow:

1.  A shop built this vehicle for the customer with a built motor, built trans, AAM900 turbos, and supporting mods.
2. The shop delivered the car back to the customer with less than 20 miles on the new motor, and upon the first drive, the car displayed no oil pressure on the MFD.
3. Shortly thereafter, the low oil light came on in the car and it developed a knocking noise from the engine.
4. The car was shut down and delivered to us in this condition.


I'm sure there is a lot more to the story, but this is what we know right now.

Here's what we found on the initial inspection and removal of the engine from the car.

1. The BCM module harness connector was not locked down in the ECU compartment.
2. We removed the oil pan and there was a large amount of bearing material in it.
3. Several body components were missing, including the front undertrays, front tunnel support brace, and rear exhaust heat shield for the trans cooler.
4. The car was equipped with a Air to Water Intercooler with a tank in the exhaust muffler area and 10AN lines running to the front of the car.  These lines ran through the transmission tunnel, and were rubbing the driveshafts, exhaust, and axles to the point of failure in several areas with minimal support.
5. The battery support bracket was missing, and a non-oem battery was being held down with twine.
6. The passenger marker light harness was disconnected and zip-tied to the oil cooler.
7. The foam bumper support was broken and secured to the car with painter's tape
8. The main structural braces on both sides of the car that secure the front carbon clip to the steel frame of the car in the fenderwells were missing.
9. The intercooler piping utilized V-Band clamps with permatex on them, which I've never seen before, and doubt that they were air tight.
10. Permatex Black was used on the threads of all AN fittings.
11. The radiator and overflow tank were filled with bearing material.
12.  The front passenger ABS harness was broken and the wires were pinned directly into the female side of the harness.
13.  The T1 Fuel rail feed had been tapped to accept an AN to NPT fitting, with PTFE paste on the threads, which appeared to be leaking.
14.  The wastegate adjustment arms had been welded together.
15. The turbo drains had been zip-tied to the body and were rubbing on the front axle stubs.
16. One of the lower intercooler couplers was ripped.
17. The exhaust manifold gaskets were missing on both sides, and instead high temp rubber gasket sealer was used.  This appeared to be leaking on the passenger side.
18. The Driver side upper control arm bolt was stripped out.
19.  The PCV system had been deleted, and the PCV outlets on the valve covers had been removed, tapped for 6AN, and were open to atmosphere.
20.  The front bumper support clips under the sides of the headlights were missing.
21.  The front diffuser support brackets to the crash beam were missing.
22.  Various misc. body fasteners and trim were missing.
23.  The driver side frame had been clearanced to avoid contact with the wastegate actuator on the turbo.

i dont even know how to change my oil, but im pretty sure thats not how you put together an engine and surrounding parts.



#36 Black Mammoth Posted 31 July 2013 - 09:47 PM

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I think that Doug's write up shows why the owner didn't take it back to the original shop. They are clearly incompetent.



#37 audioenvy Posted 31 July 2013 - 10:09 PM

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Ouch.

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#38 TheHitman™ Posted 31 July 2013 - 10:36 PM

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I am glad that there are at least some good tuners/builders out there.

Looking at the problem it looks like the problem lies in the build and not the tune.


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#39 MSIZZLE Posted 31 July 2013 - 10:40 PM

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This is unbelievable! how in the world does a shop that does this horrible work present it self in a impressive enough way to land a 15-20k job!!



#40 thehelix112 Posted 31 July 2013 - 10:51 PM

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At what point does a shop have a moral obligation to release the builder info so noone else is put in danger by that level of poor workmanship. Removing underbody braces? Deleting pcv?

Please encourage the owner to release the info, preferably by them joining this forum so they can speak directly to their experiences. Seems not that much of a stretch for things like this to wind up with people hurt.

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