Jump to content

- - - - -

Anatomy of a Blown Motor


  • This topic is locked This topic is locked
598 replies to this topic

#81 str8blst Posted 01 August 2013 - 08:56 AM

str8blst
  • NAGTROC Certified Member
  • R32 Member

  • PipPip
  • 272 posts
  • Location:NJ

View PostDoug@WGP, on 01 August 2013 - 08:33 AM, said:

Here's the kicker... The invoices for this job were 90k.

I for one can't believe that this shop has not been outed in this thread. As a community we should definitely ban together to form a list of reputable shops. In the end information is what we all come here for. Information on bad vendors should be included... If the vendor is seliing to the GTR community let them come here to defend themselves to their potential customers. I know if I had just spent 90K on this and needing to spend $xxxx to clean up hack workmanship... that a lawyer will be my next call after F-bombing the shop that did this to my car....... If the shop does not give some money back as a refund then I would definitely do my best to put them out of business......


2013 GTR Black Edition P600
2012 Audi Q7 SCV6 S-line
2011 Cayenne Turbo
2007 Audi RS4 APR Supercharged

2001.5 WB Audi S4 Avant KMD Tuned GT28RS 635hp @22PSI









Gone but not forgotten: 12 GTR BE P600, 01 996TT Proto 24/18G, 05 CTT Techart Magnum, 04 Cayenne Turbo Proto Stg2


#82 HighlanderD Posted 01 August 2013 - 08:58 AM

HighlanderD
  • Members
  • SpecV Member

  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 3,540 posts
  • Location:Wallingford, CT
The customer is understandably embarrassed and is formulating his response.


First Person to Ever Remove a GT-R Drivetrain in their own garage


#83 cranberry Posted 01 August 2013 - 09:03 AM

cranberry
  • Supporter
  • R34 Member

  • PipPipPipPip
  • 1,032 posts
  • Location:Maryland
Tell him no need to be embarrassed but speaking up would definately prevent someone else going through the same BS from that shop.

90K is unacceptable for all that to be wrong. Hope they hire a lawyer and win the case. I'm sure they have all of the receipts from everything along with the pics & data that Doug has gathered should be a good case.

Sent from my iPhone using GT-R Life mobile app

Edited by cranberry, 01 August 2013 - 09:06 AM.



Posted Image SPE1200R


Posted Image SPEGodzilla

#84 VEGASGTR Posted 01 August 2013 - 09:04 AM

VEGASGTR
  • Members
  • Egoist Member

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 8,272 posts
  • Location:LAS VEGAS

View PostDoug@WGP, on 01 August 2013 - 08:58 AM, said:

The customer is understandably embarrassed and is formulating his response.

Doug ,I think he has a good case. If he paid with credit cards , he can dispute all the charges . He can also get a lawyer and sue them. Every shop "should " have insurance . Document everthing.


current: 2014 Z51 A&A supercharged 608whp on 91.


past:
2009 GTR 9.5@150 4.38 60-130
2006 S/C Z06
2002 Twin Turbo Z06

#85 Cavalier777 Posted 01 August 2013 - 09:08 AM

Cavalier777
  • Members
  • R36 Member

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 6,047 posts
  • Location:USA

View PostDoug@WGP, on 01 August 2013 - 08:33 AM, said:

Here's the kicker... The invoices for this job were 90k.

holy f*ck.  house robbers couldnt do worse.


Posted Image


#86 spdbydesignChris Posted 01 August 2013 - 09:20 AM

spdbydesignChris
  • Vendors
  • Where QUALITY Meets VALUE!

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 5,947 posts
  • Location:Oklahoma City
Wow....there is so much fail there, poor car owner.

Nice job Doug, hopefully you get this guy back up and running sooner than later ;(


Posted Image

SBD650 (550whp) Stock Turbo Power Package $2,199 (Includes Ecutek or Cobb AP E-Tune)

SBD700 (600whp) 9 sec 1/4 Stock Turbo Power Package $4,999 (Full Bolt-Ons Package for 91/93 Octane or E85 Users)
10.02@ 135.12 on 93 Octane PUMP GAS WORLD RECORD HOLDER
9.62@140.65mph on E85 Ethanol STOCK TURBO WORLD RECORD


SBD800 (700-900whp) Factory Manifold Turbo Upgrade Power Package $7,599

DENSO JAPAN Racing Drop-In Fuel Pumps: USA Distributor $399/pair

Trending over $1,000,000 in GTR Parts Sales in 2014. Thanks GTRLife!

Email/Paypal: spdbydesign@gmail.com
http://www.spdbydesign.com


Ph: 405-309-9723 Monday-Friday 9 AM- 5 PM CST

#87 HighlanderD Posted 01 August 2013 - 09:24 AM

HighlanderD
  • Members
  • SpecV Member

  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 3,540 posts
  • Location:Wallingford, CT

View Postspdbydesign, on 01 August 2013 - 09:20 AM, said:

Wow....there is so much fail there, poor car owner.

Nice job Doug, hopefully you get this guy back up and running sooner than later ;(

Considering the original build took over three months... My standard turnaround is gonna seem like maximum warp.


First Person to Ever Remove a GT-R Drivetrain in their own garage


#88 spdbydesignChris Posted 01 August 2013 - 09:26 AM

spdbydesignChris
  • Vendors
  • Where QUALITY Meets VALUE!

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 5,947 posts
  • Location:Oklahoma City

View PostDoug@WGP, on 01 August 2013 - 09:24 AM, said:

Considering the original build took over three months... My standard turnaround is gonna seem like maximum warp.

We're hiring if things don't work out, haha.

Oklahoma has lots of great....eh...tornado's, hail storms, and women with no teeth. Salary negotiable....


Posted Image

SBD650 (550whp) Stock Turbo Power Package $2,199 (Includes Ecutek or Cobb AP E-Tune)

SBD700 (600whp) 9 sec 1/4 Stock Turbo Power Package $4,999 (Full Bolt-Ons Package for 91/93 Octane or E85 Users)
10.02@ 135.12 on 93 Octane PUMP GAS WORLD RECORD HOLDER
9.62@140.65mph on E85 Ethanol STOCK TURBO WORLD RECORD


SBD800 (700-900whp) Factory Manifold Turbo Upgrade Power Package $7,599

DENSO JAPAN Racing Drop-In Fuel Pumps: USA Distributor $399/pair

Trending over $1,000,000 in GTR Parts Sales in 2014. Thanks GTRLife!

Email/Paypal: spdbydesign@gmail.com
http://www.spdbydesign.com


Ph: 405-309-9723 Monday-Friday 9 AM- 5 PM CST

#89 HighlanderD Posted 01 August 2013 - 09:28 AM

HighlanderD
  • Members
  • SpecV Member

  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 3,540 posts
  • Location:Wallingford, CT

View Postspdbydesign, on 01 August 2013 - 09:26 AM, said:


We're hiring if things don't work out, haha.

Oklahoma has lots of great....eh...tornado's, hail storms, and women with no teeth. Salary negotiable....
Ill tell the original builder to send a resume to the tornado company... he seems pretty good at destroying things.


First Person to Ever Remove a GT-R Drivetrain in their own garage


#90 UNDRPSR Posted 01 August 2013 - 09:31 AM

UNDRPSR
  • NAGTROC Certified Member
  • R35

  • PipPip
  • 129 posts
  • Location:Ft Myers, FL
Epic egregious fail for a build.  I feel for the owner, I hope he's made whole somehow.


2009 Black Premium...built 3.8 Jacks Transmission engine w/Alpha 9's...Drag 800 trans
814 rwhp/718 rwtq


1016970_376071555851933_899802781_n.jpg

#91 raiste Posted 01 August 2013 - 09:47 AM

raiste
  • NAGTROC Certified Member
  • R32 Member

  • PipPip
  • 122 posts
  • Location:South Carolina
As bad as this is, the owner may need to speak to a lawyer first before letting it air out here?


Sent from my iPhone using GT-R Life mobile app


-------------------------------------
2013 GMG BE
'86 Corolla


.

#92 HighlanderD Posted 01 August 2013 - 09:48 AM

HighlanderD
  • Members
  • SpecV Member

  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 3,540 posts
  • Location:Wallingford, CT
Here's what we found during the teardown of the longblock:

1.Clear silicone had been used in place of or in conjunction with metal gaskets that were broken and reused. on all of the coolant lines to the block.
2. For some reason, a second o-ring and permatex was added to each injector seat to the intake manifold.
3. Bearing material had made its way to the thermostat housing.
4. The Titan Motorsports Crank Pulley had been press-fit onto the crankshaft out of square, damaging the keyway, and it required a gear puller and over an hour to remove.
5. The bolt that holds the oil pump sprocket to the oil pump shaft was missing.
6. The oil pump appears to have been sandblasted for some reason.
7.Non OEM O-rings were used to seal the inner front cover to the block.
8. Cosworth Head Gaskets were used.
9. A non-oem hose clamp was used on the crankcase PCV line.
10. The cylinder walls showed evidence of corrosion, which leads me to believe the block was never honed for the new pistons.
11. Permatex gray was used in conjunction with the oem metal gasket for the turbo feed line, constricting its flow.
12. The upper oil pan was full of bearing material.
13. All engine main bearings and cam bearings were totally destroyed.
14. The Carrillo connecting rods were severely miscolored at the rod bearing connections.
15. The CP piston skirt coatings had some scoring on them.
16. Upgraded wrist pins were used, as well as what appears to be a custom compression piston.
17. The turbo kit appeared to be very old, and used an outdated style of AAM oil and coolant line fittings.
18. The H11 main stud hardware appeared to be torqued well beyond specification.


Luckily, the cylinder walls and crankshaft appear to be intact.  

My opinion is the following:

The shop who performed this work appears to have dropped in pistons and rods without honing the block.  It also appears they used the main and rod bearing markings on the crankshaft and block to install new bearings into the engine prior to reinstallation ,without taking into account a proper crankshaft balancing, and likely did not line hone the block after installation of the H11 main stud hardware, which caused the crankshaft to be misaligned and as such destroyed the bearings.  This problem was exacerbated by the failure of the original shop to install the nut which holds the oil pump sprocket to the shaft on the pump, which allowed the sprocket to spin freely in the engine without spinning the pump.  This caused a total loss (or lack of generation) of oil pressure, which wiped out the bearings.  I can think of no other reason for this nut to be missing than carelessness and poor quality control.

I am amazed this motor ran for the length of time that it did.  I am also amazed that the shop did not notice the lack of oil pressure, or perform a proper engine break in of several oil changes and mileage prior to returning the vehicle to the customer.  I am also amazed that they chose to high end components in the engine, yet seemingly performed such work for the prices they charged.

Pics of the above to follow.


First Person to Ever Remove a GT-R Drivetrain in their own garage


#93 Cavalier777 Posted 01 August 2013 - 09:49 AM

Cavalier777
  • Members
  • R36 Member

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 6,047 posts
  • Location:USA

View Postraiste, on 01 August 2013 - 09:47 AM, said:

As bad as this is, the owner may need to speak to a lawyer first before letting it air out here?


Sent from my iPhone using GT-R Life mobile app

+1


Posted Image


#94 Brockas Posted 01 August 2013 - 09:52 AM

Brockas
  • Members
  • R32 Member

  • PipPip
  • 128 posts
  • Location:Perth, Australia

View PostDoug@WGP, on 01 August 2013 - 08:33 AM, said:

Here's the kicker... The invoices for this job were 90k.
Did they itemise the twine?


2010 Nissan R35 GT-R

Empire Performance Midpipe + Catback + Dumps + Intakes || 1125cc Injectors || SiR Fuel Pumps || COBB || SBD Inlets ||
540whp @ 17psi on 93 oct
10.94 @ 130mph

#95 fractal Posted 01 August 2013 - 09:59 AM

fractal
  • Members
  • R32 Member

  • PipPip
  • 52 posts
  • Location:Boulder, CO

View PostBrockas, on 01 August 2013 - 09:52 AM, said:

Did they itemise the twine?
The twine was $20k, government sourced ;)



#96 HighlanderD Posted 01 August 2013 - 10:00 AM

HighlanderD
  • Members
  • SpecV Member

  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 3,540 posts
  • Location:Wallingford, CT
Pics.

Attached Thumbnails

  • IMG_5040.JPG
  • IMG_5041.JPG
  • IMG_5042.JPG
  • IMG_5043.JPG
  • IMG_5044.JPG
  • IMG_5045.JPG
  • IMG_5046.JPG
  • IMG_5047.JPG
  • IMG_5048.JPG
  • IMG_5049.JPG
  • IMG_5050.JPG
  • IMG_5051.JPG
  • IMG_5052.JPG
  • IMG_5053.JPG
  • IMG_5054.JPG
  • IMG_5056.JPG
  • IMG_5057.JPG
  • IMG_5058.JPG
  • IMG_5059.JPG
  • IMG_5061.JPG
  • IMG_5062.JPG
  • IMG_5063.JPG
  • IMG_5064.JPG
  • IMG_5065.JPG
  • IMG_5066.JPG
  • IMG_5067.JPG
  • IMG_5068.JPG
  • IMG_5069.JPG
  • IMG_5070.JPG
  • IMG_5071.JPG
  • IMG_5072.JPG
  • IMG_5073.JPG
  • IMG_5074.JPG
  • IMG_5075.JPG
  • IMG_5076.JPG
  • IMG_5077.JPG
  • IMG_5078.JPG



First Person to Ever Remove a GT-R Drivetrain in their own garage


#97 ATL_GT-R Posted 01 August 2013 - 10:01 AM

ATL_GT-R
  • NAGTROC Certified Member
  • <"))))><

  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 3,492 posts
  • Location:Atlanta, GA

View Postspdbydesign, on 01 August 2013 - 09:26 AM, said:


Oklahoma has lots of great....eh...women with no teeth.

Where do I sign up?


TSM l Alpha12 8 second street car ~~ gone but not forgotten
LP570-4 Superleggera
Diablo Roadster
Fiat 500 Abarth

#98 Tranceport913 Posted 01 August 2013 - 10:06 AM

Tranceport913
  • Members
  • R32 Member

  • PipPip
  • 310 posts
  • Location:Sarasota, Florida
Un fkn believable.


-2010 - Super Silver
Stage 1 - Dyno'd @ 550 awhp / 641 lbs torque on 93 octane

-Z06
exhaust/CAI

#99 spdbydesignChris Posted 01 August 2013 - 10:27 AM

spdbydesignChris
  • Vendors
  • Where QUALITY Meets VALUE!

  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 5,947 posts
  • Location:Oklahoma City

View PostATL_GT&#045;R, on 01 August 2013 - 10:01 AM, said:



Where do I sign up?

Hahahah aha, you are wrong sir ;)


Posted Image

SBD650 (550whp) Stock Turbo Power Package $2,199 (Includes Ecutek or Cobb AP E-Tune)

SBD700 (600whp) 9 sec 1/4 Stock Turbo Power Package $4,999 (Full Bolt-Ons Package for 91/93 Octane or E85 Users)
10.02@ 135.12 on 93 Octane PUMP GAS WORLD RECORD HOLDER
9.62@140.65mph on E85 Ethanol STOCK TURBO WORLD RECORD


SBD800 (700-900whp) Factory Manifold Turbo Upgrade Power Package $7,599

DENSO JAPAN Racing Drop-In Fuel Pumps: USA Distributor $399/pair

Trending over $1,000,000 in GTR Parts Sales in 2014. Thanks GTRLife!

Email/Paypal: spdbydesign@gmail.com
http://www.spdbydesign.com


Ph: 405-309-9723 Monday-Friday 9 AM- 5 PM CST

#100 Wicked Posted 01 August 2013 - 10:32 AM

Wicked
  • Site Moderator
  • R35 Owner

  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 4,351 posts
  • Location:Inside Your Head
Wow.

Hopefully this does not happen to another fellow r35 owner. Hopefully the owner of the car will speak up.


Switzer Stage 1 Motor Build
Switzer Stage 1 Tranny Build
Switzer 90mmSS Exhaust = Loud as Fawk!!

Posted Image


0 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 0 guests, 0 anonymous users