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Nissan Head Designer: R36 years off but will be Fastest(Brick) of its Kind



From Autocar Interview
 
 
Nissan is in the very early phases of designing and engineering an all-new platform for the next-generation GT-R — but has still to decide how much electrification the car’s powertrain will adopt.
Talking exclusively to Autocar at the Goodwood Festival of Speed, Nissan design boss Alfonso Albaisa said the car won’t take cues from the limited-run GT-R50 special edition on show this weekend, but “has to be its own special car”. He said it has to be “the fastest super sports car in the world” and retain a visual identity that's unique among cars of its kind.
Although he’s constantly reviewing sketches for the car, Albaisa said his team can’t begin serious work until decisions are made about the powertrain and the new platform is finalised.
“The challenge is on the engineer, to be honest,” he said. “We will do our jobs when the time comes to make the car something really special. But we’re not even close to that yet
That suggests the new GT-R is still several years from production readiness, meaning it’s likely to arrive early in the next decade.
Albaisa said that while Nissan was undecided on the powertrain, he admitted that electrification was likely, albeit not confirmed.
Whether we go to a lot of electrification or none at all, we can achieve a lot power wise,” he said. “But we are definitely making a new ‘platform’ and our goal is clear: GT-R has to be the quickest car of its kind. It has to ‘own’ the track. And it has to play the advanced technology game; but that doesn’t mean it has to be electric.”
The electrified powertrain of Nissan’s stillborn hybrid LMP1 GT-R racing car, which was developed for the 2016 World Endurance Championship but never raced, could provide a glimpse of what’s to come. That car used a twin-turbocharged 3.0-litre V6 engine and hybrid electric system; Nissan pulled the plug on the project before the race.
If a similar system were used in the next GT-R, the boost of torque should ensure that, despite a loss of around 800cc in engine capacity compared with the current GT-R, the overall output could make it the most potent version of the super coupé family to have made production.
 
The current car produces 562bhp in standard form, suggesting significantly more than 600bhp is possible in the next car.
“We simply have to reflect people’s dreams; and I think people dream that the next GT-R will be the hottest super sports car in the world,” said Albaisa.
He said that the next car would have a muscular character like the R35 in order to retain the GT-R “beast”, adding: “It’s an animal; it has to be imposing and excessive. Not in terms of its wings, but rather its visual mass, its presence and its audacity.
“It doesn’t care what every other supercar in the world is doing; it simply says: ‘I’m a GT-R, I’m a brick, catch me.’ It’s the world’s fastest brick, really. And when I review sketches for the new car, I say that a lot: “Less wing, more brick.'”

 

 

 

 

 

 



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Damnnn, super cool :)

I'm already prepared for the r36 to be shit. Not even looking forward to it.
No one is addressing the 2 big problems, weight of the car and lack of power. Also costs are going up and we are getting nothing in return!
GTR is supposed to be a race car, so build a &#@* proper race car!
Bigger turbos, much bigger then the nismo. New motor and up it to 4.8 for more power and faster spool. Carbon ceramic braking system. Carbon fiber body and interior, as light as it can be. Get rib of those bullshit seats in the rear or at least offer a full removed option. Better active suspension. Better trans and awd system, both diffs with lsd. Better software and technology.
3000-3200 pounds wet.
800-900 hp
That will impress me, ill be at the same dealer i bought the nismo from picking up one of those in a heart beat! 
Those goals are in line with what the R35 came out to do... Sounds like a proper successor is in the works.

From Autocar Interview
 
 
Nissan is in the very early phases of designing and engineering an all-new platform for the next-generation GT-R  but has still to decide how much electrification the cars powertrain will adopt.

 
 
Talking exclusively to Autocar at the Goodwood Festival of Speed, Nissan design boss Alfonso Albaisa said the car wont take cues from the limited-run GT-R50 special edition on show this weekend, but has to be its own special car. He said it has to be the fastest super sports car in the world and retain a visual identity that's unique among cars of its kind.
Although hes constantly reviewing sketches for the car, Albaisa said his team cant begin serious work until decisions are made about the powertrain and the new platform is finalised.
The challenge is on the engineer, to be honest, he said. We will do our jobs when the time comes to make the car something really special. But were not even close to that yet
That suggests the new GT-R is still several years from production readiness, meaning its likely to arrive early in the next decade.
Albaisa said that while Nissan was undecided on the powertrain, he admitted that electrification was likely, albeit not confirmed.

 
Whether we go to a lot of electrification or none at all, we can achieve a lot power wise, he said. But we are definitely making a new platform and our goal is clear: GT-R has to be the quickest car of its kind. It has to own the track. And it has to play the advanced technology game; but that doesnt mean it has to be electric.
The electrified powertrain of Nissans stillborn hybrid LMP1 GT-R racing car, which was developed for the 2016 World Endurance Championship but never raced, could provide a glimpse of whats to come. That car used a twin-turbocharged 3.0-litre V6 engine and hybrid electric system; Nissan pulled the plug on the project before the race.
If a similar system were used in the next GT-R, the boost of torque should ensure that, despite a loss of around 800cc in engine capacity compared with the current GT-R, the overall output could make it the most potent version of the super coupé family to have made production.
 
The current car produces 562bhp in standard form, suggesting significantly more than 600bhp is possible in the next car.

 
 
We simply have to reflect peoples dreams; and I think people dream that the next GT-R will be the hottest super sports car in the world, said Albaisa.
 
He said that the next car would have a muscular character like the R35 in order to retain the GT-R beast, adding: Its an animal; it has to be imposing and excessive. Not in terms of its wings, but rather its visual mass, its presence and its audacity.
 
It doesnt care what every other supercar in the world is doing; it simply says: Im a GT-R, Im a brick, catch me. Its the worlds fastest brick, really. And when I review sketches for the new car, I say that a lot: Less wing, more brick.'
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Those goals are in line with what the R35 came out to do... Sounds like a proper successor is in the works.
 

And that's my concern. The GT-R made such a mark with the R35 that Nissan has a huge task ahead of them if they believe they can replicate that same impact. There are groups of cars that will produce sub-three second 0-60 times, and the quarter in the high 10's and low 11's. And then more and more are starting to hit the sub-two seconds mark for 0-60. In the 10 years that the R35 debuted, many cars have caught up with it.

I'm already prepared for the r36 to be shit. Not even looking forward to it.
No one is addressing the 2 big problems, weight of the car and lack of power. Also costs are going up and we are getting nothing in return!
GTR is supposed to be a race car, so build a proper race car!
Bigger turbos, much bigger then the nismo. New motor and up it to 4.8 for more power and faster spool. Carbon ceramic braking system. Carbon fiber body and interior, as light as it can be. Get rib of those bullshit seats in the rear or at least offer a full removed option. Better active suspension. Better trans and awd system, both diffs with lsd. Better software and technology.
3000-3200 pounds wet.
800-900 hp
That will impress me, ill be at the same dealer i bought the nismo from picking up one of those in a heart beat! 

 
That sounds great, but I think hoping for 3000-3200 lbs has ZERO chance of happening.   But we can all keep our fingers crossed!

 
That sounds great, but I think hoping for 3000-3200 lbs has ZERO chance of happening.   But we can all keep our fingers crossed!

We have better chances to win the lottery than them building a machine like that. Its sad...

100% agree with Alex, Nissan are you listening?

Makes no sense for a full carbon Nissan with 800hp. Why would Nissan build it when there’s 4 other extremely competent companies building that exact car with customers that are loyal and known brand snobs. The only reason it could happen is if Nissan wants to build a car like the LFA, a true halo car. But based on what we’ve seen from Toyota, it doesn’t seem like that experiment was very lucrative for them or else we would have seen a much different Supra. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Thanks for posting that official update, Matt. I'm hopeful that they set their targets on the 720S and go for light weight and extreme ICE power. Following in the NSX 2.0's footsteps is something hopefully that the business execs already told the engineers to not pursue, and the designers are just not clued into deep technical powetrain discussions at this stage. The Tokyo Olympics are 2 years away so it'll be interesting if they pull off a concept to show off on the world stage...

what he is talking about in those comments sounds super expensive but the "of its kind" might leave them some wiggle room ( 4 seater ect ect) to not have to contend with the carbon monocoque  mclarens and other things that it wont touch under a 200K price tag.

I'm already prepared for the r36 to be shit. Not even looking forward to it.
No one is addressing the 2 big problems, weight of the car and lack of power. Also costs are going up and we are getting nothing in return!
GTR is supposed to be a race car, so build a proper race car!
Bigger turbos, much bigger then the nismo. New motor and up it to 4.8 for more power and faster spool. Carbon ceramic braking system. Carbon fiber body and interior, as light as it can be. Get rib of those bullshit seats in the rear or at least offer a full removed option. Better active suspension. Better trans and awd system, both diffs with lsd. Better software and technology.
3000-3200 pounds wet.
800-900 hp
That will impress me, ill be at the same dealer i bought the nismo from picking up one of those in a heart beat! 

This also is what I have been saying for years.................... Only problem...... The Senna has already done this and can Nissan charge 400,000.00 ??
I do think this is the right talk and maybe it will come to pass............ Don't rush to sell your R-35 anytime soon............
I get that hint too, fastest of its kind, meaning it will be the fastest 2+2 out there. I also read the same article somewhere that don't expect any weight loss or size. Remember Nissan is mass market company, if carbon is involve, price will be too high for the regular working people.
I definitely think we will see something for 2020.
Think they will do what they did last time and target 911 Turbo as the only 2+2 AWD car and can come in 20-40k under and have a chance to beat it. Think the base on the R36 will be 150k very easy which 5yrs from now may be bargain vs other cars for the money. Even the R8 is not doing well and calling it quits by 2020.

I get that hint too, fastest of its kind, meaning it will be the fastest 2+2 out there. I also read the same article somewhere that don't expect any weight loss or size. Remember Nissan is mass market company, if carbon is involve, price will be too high for the regular working people.
I definitely think we will see something for 2020.

 

 

You're kidding yourself if you expect to see something by 2020. The most you're seeing by 2020 is an announcement that a R36 is finally in the works...

Thanks for sharing MC. Im very happy to see they will stick with the core of what a GTR is. The GTR is not meant to be light weight. It cant if it needs to keep the cost down. At the end, you just need more power. There is a formula that calculates the power, vertical weight and friction coefficient. They also need to pick a target and put it on the market fast. If the gestational time is as long as the NSX or LFA, it will not work. The GTR needs to come out and slay all of its competitors. You can always refine it over the years.

By the way, can someone tell me which body panel of the R35 is aluminum versus steel?
I dont mind the weight but 100-200lbs would be a nice shave. I feel like they will cut weight and then add it back in as new tech (Single Electric motor, electric assist turbo etc). Would be nice to have a R36 with all that tech and 700-750hp. At 3800-3900lbs it would move out. Either way I'm sure Nissan will make a fat car that can dance wth the best. They have done it before so its not a foreign concept when it comes to the drawing board
The only question is when. Since they havent even started yet, I have a feeling there will be large a gap just like the R34 and R35 (6 years). By the time R36 is released, who knows how other cars are doing. The 911 turbo may be hitting 700-800hp? A regular vette at 700hp? So Ill keep my fingers crossed and enjoy my car for now. 🤟🤟🤟

GTR is supposed to be a race car, so build a &#@* proper race car!
Bigger turbos, much bigger then the nismo. New motor and up it to 4.8 for more power and faster spool. Carbon ceramic braking system. Carbon fiber body and interior, as light as it can be. Get rib of those bullshit seats in the rear or at least offer a full removed option. Better active suspension. Better trans and awd system, both diffs with lsd. Better software and technology.
3000-3200 pounds wet.
800-900 hp
That will impress me, ill be at the same dealer i bought the nismo from picking up one of those in a heart beat! 

 

The GT-R is supposed to be a street car that also happens to be good on the track. It's impressive because it's big, practical, yet extremely fast. If the R35 was a tiny 3000lb 2 seater with no storage capacity like a "real" exotic, it wouldn't be nearly alluring. A few hundred pounds shed would be nice, but molding it into a 100% impractical exotic doesn't make it a GT-R anymore. It would probably be awesome, but it wouldn't be a GT-R. I'm really hoping Nissan doesn't try to make it a 100% track focused exotic. I DD my R35 for the most part and would love the R36 to be as capable in that realm too. I'd get a McLaren or Ferrari if I wanted an exotic track car...not that I can afford a $300k+ car for that matter. 

Said it before.  Nissan caught the other target manufacturers asleep at the wheel with the R35 debut.  They learned their lesson, and Nissan won't be catching anyone off guard this time around.  I like the outlook, but it will be much harder to deliver the same shock and awe this time around.  As speculated already, the core traits of the R35 seem to be present save one - affordability.  I think they can undercut Porsche as their target competitor, but the R36, while carrying the torch for the R35 in most respects, will not be the bargain supercar it once was.

We all know that all of us here been through this current design a few times .
Owning it.
I would say say Nissan should keep this design and tweak it.
We know the tuners have made this platform go faster and it works.
That way they doesn't have to reinvent the wheel.
Better brakes.
Better suspension.
Better turbos.
Better materials.
Let's look at Porsche.....same basic design and slight changes.
And it still works.....and not only that buyers are paying for it ....and keep buying..
Very simple.

We all know that all of us here been through this current design a few times .
Owning it.
I would say say Nissan should keep this design and tweak it.
We know the tuners have made this platform go faster and it works.
That way they doesn't have to reinvent the wheel.
Better brakes.
Better suspension.
Better turbos.
Better materials.
Let's look at Porsche.....same basic design and slight changes.
And it still works.....and not only that buyers are paying for it ....and keep buying..
Very simple.

I can also agree with this. Bigger motor, bigger turbos, better suspension and cut a lot of weight of the car. That will make the gtr competitive once again. Without building it ourself
Yes exactly.....but who knows what the big bosses think.

We all know that all of us here been through this current design a few times .
Owning it.
I would say say Nissan should keep this design and tweak it.
We know the tuners have made this platform go faster and it works.
That way they doesn't have to reinvent the wheel.
Better brakes.
Better suspension.
Better turbos.
Better materials.
Let's look at Porsche.....same basic design and slight changes.
And it still works.....and not only that buyers are paying for it ....and keep buying..
Very simple.
I can also agree with this. Bigger motor, bigger turbos, better suspension and cut a lot of weight of the car. That will make the gtr competitive once again. Without building it ourself


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Winning formula for the R35 and beyond !

Here are the missing parts for the future Nissan ! Are you reading and listen!! I hope so......



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I'm already prepared for the r36 to be shit. Not even looking forward to it.
No one is addressing the 2 big problems, weight of the car and lack of power. Also costs are going up and we are getting nothing in return!
GTR is supposed to be a race car, so build a &#@* proper race car!
Bigger turbos, much bigger then the nismo. New motor and up it to 4.8 for more power and faster spool. Carbon ceramic braking system. Carbon fiber body and interior, as light as it can be. Get rib of those bullshit seats in the rear or at least offer a full removed option. Better active suspension. Better trans and awd system, both diffs with lsd. Better software and technology.
3000-3200 pounds wet.
800-900 hp
That will impress me, ill be at the same dealer i bought the nismo from picking up one of those in a heart beat! 

 

Sounds like you are looking for an exotic

 
Sounds like you are looking for an exotic

Na im looking for a car that will beat everything out there. This isnt 2008 anymore.