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Nissan Head Designer: R36 years off but will be Fastest(Brick) of its Kind



From Autocar Interview
 
 
Nissan is in the very early phases of designing and engineering an all-new platform for the next-generation GT-R — but has still to decide how much electrification the car’s powertrain will adopt.
Talking exclusively to Autocar at the Goodwood Festival of Speed, Nissan design boss Alfonso Albaisa said the car won’t take cues from the limited-run GT-R50 special edition on show this weekend, but “has to be its own special car”. He said it has to be “the fastest super sports car in the world” and retain a visual identity that's unique among cars of its kind.
Although he’s constantly reviewing sketches for the car, Albaisa said his team can’t begin serious work until decisions are made about the powertrain and the new platform is finalised.
“The challenge is on the engineer, to be honest,” he said. “We will do our jobs when the time comes to make the car something really special. But we’re not even close to that yet
That suggests the new GT-R is still several years from production readiness, meaning it’s likely to arrive early in the next decade.
Albaisa said that while Nissan was undecided on the powertrain, he admitted that electrification was likely, albeit not confirmed.
Whether we go to a lot of electrification or none at all, we can achieve a lot power wise,” he said. “But we are definitely making a new ‘platform’ and our goal is clear: GT-R has to be the quickest car of its kind. It has to ‘own’ the track. And it has to play the advanced technology game; but that doesn’t mean it has to be electric.”
The electrified powertrain of Nissan’s stillborn hybrid LMP1 GT-R racing car, which was developed for the 2016 World Endurance Championship but never raced, could provide a glimpse of what’s to come. That car used a twin-turbocharged 3.0-litre V6 engine and hybrid electric system; Nissan pulled the plug on the project before the race.
If a similar system were used in the next GT-R, the boost of torque should ensure that, despite a loss of around 800cc in engine capacity compared with the current GT-R, the overall output could make it the most potent version of the super coupé family to have made production.
 
The current car produces 562bhp in standard form, suggesting significantly more than 600bhp is possible in the next car.
“We simply have to reflect people’s dreams; and I think people dream that the next GT-R will be the hottest super sports car in the world,” said Albaisa.
He said that the next car would have a muscular character like the R35 in order to retain the GT-R “beast”, adding: “It’s an animal; it has to be imposing and excessive. Not in terms of its wings, but rather its visual mass, its presence and its audacity.
“It doesn’t care what every other supercar in the world is doing; it simply says: ‘I’m a GT-R, I’m a brick, catch me.’ It’s the world’s fastest brick, really. And when I review sketches for the new car, I say that a lot: “Less wing, more brick.'”

 

 

 

 

 

 



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You took the literal meaning and youre trying to make an argument. LMAO...

They took the opportunity to continue what the prior NSX was and threw it in the trash.

R32-R33-R34-R35 Progress and evolution of the platform. Japanese design and engineering. Same soul. The new NSX was designed in the US by some kid out of design school with a few intern years on the tail end of the last NSX...

Again, no one is buying the bullshit. Literally. Sales are nonexistent.
 

 

You drive a GT-R and you're calling the NSX soulless? The GT-R's reputation is 100% because of the electronic assists and AWD system, not because it's a lightweight barebones track car like an Elise. 

Here we go again. Pointless argument. I never said soul equates to a RWD lightweight vehicle that I can chuck into corners. I appreciate ALL the work and attention to the foundation, every aspect of performance addressed from the ground up, the engineering challenges encountered, the aggressive design cues taken from Gundam, an iconic Japanese manga, everything on the vehicle serves a specific purpose. They set out to build a bad ass machine. A worthy successor to the R34. Mission accomplished. The GTR has 10x the soul of the new NSX period. The following vid sums it up. Final post in this thread. Done feeding the trolls.

https://m.youtube.co...h?v=x5hlRi0XZNw

 
You drive a GT-R and you're calling the NSX soulless? The GT-R's reputation is 100% because of the electronic assists and AWD system, not because it's a lightweight barebones track car like an Elise. 

Here we go again. Pointless argument. I never said soul equates to a RWD lightweight vehicle that I can chuck into corners. I appreciate ALL the work and attention to the foundation, every aspect of performance addressed from the ground up, the engineering challenges encountered, the aggressive design cues taken from Gundam, an iconic Japanese manga, everything on the vehicle serves a specific purpose. They set out to build a bad ass machine. A worthy successor to the R34. Mission accomplished. The GTR has 10x the soul of the new NSX period. The following vid sums it up. Final post in this thread. Done feeding the trolls.

https://m.youtube.co...h?v=x5hlRi0XZNw
 

 

1. NSX has far more high tech and engineering work than the GT-R...like not even in the same league. It was made a decade later using modern technology, the GT-R is a product of the mid 2000's.

 

2. I think the NSX looks better. The NSX is an exotic, the GT-R is not. 

 

Apparently by your argument I think the NSX has "more soul". My point is you're trying to criticize the NSX for being dull, but you apparently only like the styling of the GT-R. If engineering work is a metric of "soul", the NSX beats the GT-R by tenfold. 

 

Anyway, my point isn't that one is better than the other, but you're claiming that the NSX is soulless when they both have the exact same approach, just a decade apart. Modern tech to make it go fast. If the NSX is soulless, so is the GT-R.

Wrong. Every post you make strengthens my argument. When the GTR came out it was a game changer period. Can you say the same for the present NSX? The tech in the GTR is 10 years old... and still spanks the NSX. Oops...

Buh-bye. Truly my last post on this topic.

 
1. NSX has far more high tech and engineering work than the GT-R...like not even in the same league. It was made a decade later using modern technology, the GT-R is a product of the mid 2000's.
 
2. I think the NSX looks better. The NSX is an exotic, the GT-R is not. 
 
Apparently by your argument I think the NSX has "more soul". My point is you're trying to criticize the NSX for being dull, but you apparently only like the styling of the GT-R. If engineering work is a metric of "soul", the NSX beats the GT-R by tenfold. 
 
Anyway, my point isn't that one is better than the other, but you're claiming that the NSX is soulless when they both have the exact same approach, just a decade apart. Modern tech to make it go fast. If the NSX is soulless, so is the GT-R.

 
1. NSX has far more high tech and engineering work than the GT-R...like not even in the same league. It was made a decade later using modern technology, the GT-R is a product of the mid 2000's.
 
2. I think the NSX looks better. The NSX is an exotic, the GT-R is not. 
 
Apparently by your argument I think the NSX has "more soul". My point is you're trying to criticize the NSX for being dull, but you apparently only like the styling of the GT-R. If engineering work is a metric of "soul", the NSX beats the GT-R by tenfold. 
 
Anyway, my point isn't that one is better than the other, but you're claiming that the NSX is soulless when they both have the exact same approach, just a decade apart. Modern tech to make it go fast. If the NSX is soulless, so is the GT-R.


NSX 2.0 is an example of what not to do as a sports car manufacturer:

--Move production of your halo sports car from Japan or Germany or the U.K. to Ohio
--let your US Ohio branch office both engineer and design your halo sports car
--appoint a guy who made your minivan-based SUV to run the whole program
--change the entire ICE design more than half way into the development process, creating a crisis and thereby exploding your R&D costs
--abandon the entire engineering formula for your first halo sports car success
--slap on a grille from the Power Rangers
--force a complex battery design to meet some political corporate agenda
--fail to achieve records of any type in performance metrics
--fail to achieve records of any type in power output metrics
--announce the car 17 times and release it half a decade later
--allow former family sedan builders to assemble it
--put an interior that looks rather cheap and lacks basic features
--offer limited color choices and customization options
--allow dealers to order fully optioned cars and add massive markups
--price yourself out of the market / price yourself beyond what your brand equity can sustain
--fail to pay any readily visible homage to the car's predecessor
--insist that your halo front fascia match that of a lesser (non-sports car) lineup
--adorn the front fascia of your halo car with one that you're actually phasing out of your lineup

Play the best song in the world, or I'll eat your soul!  Oh, wait you don't have one?  Nevermind.

NSX 2.0 is an example of what not to do as a sports car manufacturer:

--Move production of your halo sports car from Japan or Germany or the U.K. to Ohio
--let your US Ohio branch office both engineer and design your halo sports car
--appoint a guy who made your minivan-based SUV to run the whole program
--change the entire ICE design more than half way into the development process, creating a crisis and thereby exploding your R&D costs
--abandon the entire engineering formula for your first halo sports car success
--slap on a grille from the Power Rangers
--force a complex battery design to meet some political corporate agenda
--fail to achieve records of any type in performance metrics
--fail to achieve records of any type in power output metrics
--announce the car 17 times and release it half a decade later
--allow former family sedan builders to assemble it
--put an interior that looks rather cheap and lacks basic features
--offer limited color choices and customization options
--allow dealers to order fully optioned cars and add massive markups
--price yourself out of the market / price yourself beyond what your brand equity can sustain
--fail to pay any readily visible homage to the car's predecessor
--insist that your halo front fascia match that of a lesser (non-sports car) lineup
--adorn the front fascia of your halo car with one that you're actually phasing out of your lineup

 

....mentions literally nothing about performance and technology. 

 

Your "argument" is the Japanese equivalent of the truck bro's "but muh murica". Also, the majority of the engineering work was done in Japan. Literally all of the performance aspects of it. 

 

Also, let me pick out a few hilarious things

 

 

 

-announce the car 17 times and release it half a decade later
--allow former family sedan builders to assemble it
--put an interior that looks rather cheap and lacks basic features
--offer limited color choices and customization options
--allow dealers to order fully optioned cars and add massive markups
--price yourself out of the market / price yourself beyond what your brand equity can sustain

 

Literally every single one of those applies to the GT-R. LMAO.

 

Some of you guys are delusional fanboys thinking you're in a Ferrari. I have a GT-R and I love it, but realize it's not some high end exotic with a gorgeous interior. Hell, the GT-R's interior isn't even as nice as the Maxima! It's basically a better Corvette, not a Ferrari or high end 911. 

 

....mentions literally nothing about performance and technology. 

 

Your "argument" is the Japanese equivalent of the truck bro's "but muh murica". Also, the majority of the engineering work was done in Japan. Literally all of the performance aspects of it. 

 

Also, let me pick out a few hilarious things

 

 

Literally every single one of those applies to the GT-R. LMAO.

 

Some of you guys are delusional fanboys thinking you're in a Ferrari. I have a GT-R and I love it, but realize it's not some high end exotic with a gorgeous interior. Hell, the GT-R's interior isn't even as nice as the Maxima! It's basically a better Corvette, not a Ferrari or high end 911. 

 

 

At the end of the day, this is a forum for GTR Enthusiasts. Not everyone here is going to be okay with an opinion against the GTR.

 

My 0.02 is NSX failed because of the overpriced MSRP. It's basically GTR performance in a 2 seater sports car. 

 

On the other hand, Nissan could be headed into wrong sales territory with the R36 if the prices continue to steadily climb up (Not as much of a supercar performance bargain). 

 

 

At the end of the day, this is a forum for GTR Enthusiasts. Not everyone here is going to be okay with an opinion against the GTR.

 

My 0.02 is NSX failed because of the overpriced MSRP. It's basically GTR performance in a 2 seater sports car. 

 

On the other hand, Nissan could be headed into wrong sales territory with the R36 if the prices continue to steadily climb up (Not as much of a supercar performance bargain). 

 

 

I completely agree. The 2017+ Nismo's and track editions are 100% guilty of outpricing themselves and the R36 hasn't even been announced. 

 

I brought up the fanboys because most people here have driven other cars and agree the GT-R is not king of the hill anymore. It's still an awesome car, but the rest of the market has had time to catch up, and there are plenty of impressive cars out there, new and used in the same price range. Unless you're solely into drag racing where AWD launches really benefit you, there are plenty of other cars in the price range that can hold their ground against the GT-R. Just look at all the posts about Nissan having to step their game up for the R36. The NSX is not the GT-R, but it's still an amazingly awesome car. Let's talk shit about the 918 while we're at it. Oh, but wait, it was built in Germany, it's an ok hybrid supercar! The NSX's are having absurdly high failure rates because it wasn't built in Japan!!!!!! [citation needed]. Those people need to cut it out with that trite argument until they have proof that the NSX being assembled in America makes it a piece of shit. Until then, trying to make that argument is no different than the "muh murica" truck and muscle car bros who can't stand anything without a V8 or diesel pouring out smoke, as if that's somehow American other than representing old technology. 

 

Just for the record, I love my GT-R. They're unique in their own way, but as of 2018 I cannot say that it's the best car out there for the price. Still being able to stand its ground after 10 years really tells what an amazing car it is, but come on guys, don't be such fanboys. There are other extremely badass cars out there, including the NSX. 

The NSX is not the GT-R, but it's still an amazingly awesome car. Let's talk shit about the 918 while we're at it. Oh, but wait, it was built in Germany, it's an ok hybrid supercar!
 


The 918 had a hybrid component integrated only because it made the car actually faster. With the LaFerrari, Ferrari said they only included electrification because they could achieve more speed than without it. The performance metrics for those cars when introduced demonstrated this.
With NSX 2.0, electrification did not produce any incremental benefit relative to its principal competitors in the $100-$200K sports car marketplace.

Is it the performance leader on the track? Nurburgring records broken ? No.

How about 1/4 mile? No.

How about 1/2 mile? No, in fact the batteries shut down at 120MPH so there's no victories there either.

How about top speed, surely it wins there ? No.

Lateral acceleration though ? No.

Braking ? No.

The point is the GT-R to this day still outperforms cars in many of those metrics. And Nissan clearly has a superior sports car strategy than Honda, it's been moving R35s successfully for 10 years:

https://www.bloomber...t.co/wzuo8lq9VT

At 3 units a month the NSX 2.0 will be lucky to survive 10 more months...

I'm already prepared for the r36 to be shit. Not even looking forward to it. No one is addressing the 2 big problems, weight of the car and lack of power. Also costs are going up and we are getting nothing in return!
 

 

+1, Great idea Nissan, why not just get a Leaf and slap a GT-R Badge on it and charge 200K for it. Wow, talk about bubble engineering. Lets come up with the worst ideas possible. Or better lets make sure no from the USA market is involved in any say..........

At 3 units a month the NSX 2.0 will be lucky to survive 10 more months...

 

 

But but but its imported from OHIO ! 

what he is talking about in those comments sounds super expensive but the "of its kind" might leave them some wiggle room ( 4 seater ect ect) to not have to contend with the carbon monocoque  mclarens and other things that it wont touch under a 200K price tag.

 

Nissan is saying they want to completely depart from its current market and take it into another level area and does not want to be in this market anymore. Don't count on a next car for the USA market Period if you do see one it wont be in anyones price range it will be a KIa Stinger and no one will buy one. 

 

Said it before.  Nissan caught the other target manufacturers asleep at the wheel with the R35 debut.  They learned their lesson, and Nissan won't be catching anyone off guard this time around.  I like the outlook, but it will be much harder to deliver the same shock and awe this time around.  As speculated already, the core traits of the R35 seem to be present save one - affordability.  I think they can undercut Porsche as their target competitor, but the R36, while carrying the torch for the R35 in most respects, will not be the bargain supercar it once was.

 

+1, the people who were working in the back ground in the R35 birth are all gone now from Nissan Japan, there was so much team work in the back and it wasn't only Nakamura or Goshen who pulled in it was Sakurai, Muzno etc and many people who are no longer with the company and that synergy is where ???????? 

The 918 had a hybrid component integrated only because it made the car actually faster. With the LaFerrari, Ferrari said they only included electrification because they could achieve more speed than without it. The performance metrics for those cars when introduced demonstrated this.
With NSX 2.0, electrification did not produce any incremental benefit relative to its principal competitors in the $100-$200K sports car marketplace.

Is it the performance leader on the track? Nurburgring records broken ? No.

How about 1/4 mile? No.

How about 1/2 mile? No, in fact the batteries shut down at 120MPH so there's no victories there either.

How about top speed, surely it wins there ? No.

Lateral acceleration though ? No.

Braking ? No.

The point is the GT-R to this day still outperforms cars in many of those metrics. And Nissan clearly has a superior sports car strategy than Honda, it's been moving R35s successfully for 10 years:

https://www.bloomber...t.co/wzuo8lq9VT

At 3 units a month the NSX 2.0 will be lucky to survive 10 more months...

 

Seriously? Stop being such a bench racer. Arguing about .1s here and there is so insecure and pointless. If you truly think the NSX is a piece of shit because it was built in the US and the GT-R can outperform it by a tenth of a second in the hands of a professional driver in ideal conditions on a car that was prepped by Nissan's engineers before driving, you're naive and gullible.

 

Both the NSX and GT-R are awesome cars. Yea, the NSX is more expensive, that's why it's not selling. That doesn't make it a piece of shit. You guys need to stop being such insecure, jealous fanboys. 

 
Seriously? Stop being such a bench racer. Arguing about .1s here and there is so insecure and pointless. If you truly think the NSX is a piece of shit because it was built in the US and the GT-R can outperform it by a tenth of a second in the hands of a professional driver in ideal conditions on a car that was prepped by Nissan's engineers before driving, you're naive and gullible.
 
Both the NSX and GT-R are awesome cars. Yea, the NSX is more expensive, that's why it's not selling. That doesn't make it a piece of shit. You guys need to stop being such insecure, jealous fanboys. 


I take it you haven't owned an NSX 2.0. Sure it's a nice car until you get stuck holding the bag owning one realizing they failed miserably with the details. It is a truly piece of shit. Gondo couldn't be anymore accurate in his analysis of the car and why it is failing to sell. Every single bullet point in his posts are spot on. It has nothing to do with price. 2k miles is all it took to realize the NSX was everything that's wrong with Acura these days.

I take it you haven't owned an NSX 2.0. Sure it's a nice car until you get stuck holding the bag owning one realizing they failed miserably with the details. It is a truly piece of shit. Gondo couldn't be anymore accurate in his analysis of the car and why it is failing to sell. Every single bullet point in his posts are spot on. It has nothing to do with price. 2k miles is all it took to realize the NSX was everything that's wrong with Acura these days.

 

"It's a piece of shit because it's a piece of shit"....great descriptions! Very thorough!

 

The GT-R is not without some major faults. My stock 2015 GT-R's transmission failed twice, and we all know failing transmissions are not uncommon.The GR6 is not the PDK and it's horrible at low speeds. The GT-R's interior is barely a step above the 370z. Stop pretending like the GT-R is a Ferrari. I figured people who could afford GT-R's would have experience with other cars and wouldn't be such fanboys..

 
"It's a piece of shit because it's a piece of shit"....great descriptions! Very thorough!
 
The GT-R is not without some major faults. My stock GT-R's transmission failed twice. We all know the GR6 is not the PDK. The GT-R's interior is barely a step above from the 370z. Stop pretending like the GT-R is a Ferrari. I figured people who could afford GT-R's would have experience with other cars and wouldn't be such fanboys.. 


It's a piece of shit plain and simple. No need to elaborate as I've done so in other threads plus Gondo covers it all. Just don't have the desire to waste time or resources on subpar products like the NSX 2.0. You like crap things, great. I don't along with everyone else who dumped their NSXes. It's a great car. Go for it! Plenty of pre-owned ones on the market.

It's a piece of shit plain and simple. No need to elaborate as I've done so in other threads plus Gondo covers it all. Just don't have the desire to waste time or resources on subpar products like the NSX 2.0. You like crap things, great. I don't along with everyone else who dumped their NSXes. It's a great car. Go for it! Plenty of pre-owned ones on the market.

 

"Because I said so" is not an argument. Stop being such a fanboy. 

 
"Because I said so" is not an argument. Stop being such a fanboy. 


Fanboy of what exactly?

Fanboy of what exactly?

 

Being purposefully obtuse isn't doing you any favors. Check the URL of this site, Sherlock. 

 
Being purposefully obtuse isn't doing you any favors. Check the URL of this site, Sherlock. 


Considering we only have two Honda products (Honda #14 and 15) in the garage, most people would lean towards Honda fanboy. But then again you're pretty special considering you're the resident expert here. The NSX was my 13th Honda and it was a POS. Plain and simple. You want the details, use the search feature Watson.

Considering we only have two Honda products (Honda #14 and 15) in the garage, most people would lean towards Honda fanboy. But then again you're pretty special considering you're the resident expert here. The NSX was my 13th Honda and it was a POS. Plain and simple. You want the details, use the search feature Watson.

 

The burden of proof is in your hands. You're the one claiming it's a piece of shit. "It is because it is" isn't a reason. 

 
The burden of proof is in your hands. You're the one claiming it's a piece of shit. "It is because it is" isn't a reason. 


Perhaps. It is because it is because it is. Good night.

people - i think we can all agree that we wanted the NSX to succeed. the first Gen was amazing and truly set a platform of a great car. 

 

The newest NSX has seen failure, not only price related, but all the standing principles/parameters of a sports/entry supercar. 

 

When I sold my 16 Premium, i was truly on the "hunt" to purchase my next level. approximately 4 months before i sold my 1st GTR, i notified my local

Acura dealer that I'm interested in test driving the NSX.............nothing..............There was only one person that stayed in touch with me and no one else. 

No car, no nothing. Not even corporate contacted me as they had a demo that they often drive around. I finally saw one for sale online and went for a test drive........it somewhat impressed me, but didn't WOW me - at all. With that kind of non-reactive customer service, it's hard to sell any cars. 

 

With all this said and done, I think that the only Authoritative positive and negative comments concerning a car is from someone who actually owned one. 

On paper and a 2 mile test drive doesn't explain or display the attributes of a vehicle compared to actually owning one. 

 

That's my 2 cents. 

 
Nissan is saying they want to completely depart from its current market and take it into another level area and does not want to be in this market anymore. Don't count on a next car for the USA market Period if you do see one it wont be in anyones price range it will be a KIa Stinger and no one will buy one.



That would be very disappointing. Time will tell what happens and we can only hope for the best from Nissan