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#1 gixy2k

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Posted 07 November 2019 - 10:01 AM

I'll keep it short and to the point.

 

Both, the GTR and M5 are similar in pricing.

 

Power, body-roll, acceleration, and handling are great, but not quite to the level of a stock GTR.  Almost, but not there.

 

But if you are a family guy and can only afford one, the M5 would definitely be at the top of the list.

 

The test drive took about 1/2 hour, going through straights, twisties, and also some city driving.

The salesman allowed me to have my way with it - keep in mind this was a demo car and already had 2500mi. (broken in).

 

Acceleration was smoooooth, but fast.  Almost like a GTR.  Merging onto the 101 from a side street in the middle of traffic going 75-80mph

was a breeze; in no time I was going 110 and climbing to 120 by the time the salesman reminded me that that section was notorious for

having CHP speed traps.

Handling and body roll was great, almost made you think you were not driving a 4400lb tank.

Electronics were state of the art.  

Engine sound: it growled, but not annoying.  Exhaust can be made quite with a push of a button.

Interior was very classy and detailed.

 

At the end of the day, believe of not, my heart was still leaning towards a GTR (brain = M5) for the following reason:

- Aggressive look; M5 looks like a dime a dozen compared to the GTR front and rear end

- Gut wrenching acceleration; DCT punches you, Auto kinda pushes you

- Mod friendly; GTR allows me to work on it since I'm already somewhat familiar with going FBO/e85.  I would have to rely on Dinan for the M5

- Last but not least, I have 3 kids; 2 of which are already out of the house and in the AF.  My little one is 7.  All three want me to get a GTR :)

(Disclaimer: yes, wife is against it)

 

4th quarter is here, so I'll see if Nissan is willing to "negotiate" ;)


Edited by gixy2k, 07 November 2019 - 10:09 AM.


#2 Corbindallas

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Posted 07 November 2019 - 10:07 AM

Ive not driven the new M5 but I have had a few other M cars prior to my GTR. I agree with all your points. The GTR feels special in comparison to BMW M cars. My roots have also been JDM so that helps, not to mention the mod ability. My 13 GTR was more raw and aggressive than my 19 but overall I like my 19 much more. I can fit my whole family in it and it looks and drives great overall. Goodluck in your hunt!

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Posted 07 November 2019 - 11:50 AM

These cars are just a simple JB4 tune away from [email protected] or better. My X5M tune only runs 11.2 @ 125+ and its 1000lbs heavier in 3500+DA. Personally, I would never use Dinan again. They shaft the dealer on any repairs and arguably do not even provide added performance. A tenth or two while JB4 adds dyno proven 120-150 wheel tq. The S63tu is a beast of a powertrain coupled with the ZF 8 speed. Similar trans in the RS5, X5M and Hellcats/Demons/Redeyes. They don’t even slip until 800+ lbft Good luck, if your just tuning it, I’d go with the M5 Building it, R35 all day.
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Posted 07 November 2019 - 12:27 PM

JDM for life here lolz 


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Posted 07 November 2019 - 12:35 PM

M5 is a dog on the track. Heavy as hell. It’s a boring drive besides the sensation of speed. Gtr is older in tech and is not as smooth. You’re going to get destroyed on depreciation on both. I’d do a 15 gtr and F80 = the price of either m5/2020 gtr new.
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Posted 07 November 2019 - 02:52 PM

^^ Shawn from Heritage runs quicker times in the M5 then he did in the stock R35 IIRC. Better braking, cooling and doesnât overheat. +1 on depreciation for the bimmer, they drip like Benz, but the R35 at sticker isnât much better these days.

Edited by droptopp, 07 November 2019 - 02:52 PM.

TSM Billet Crank 4.1 w/ CP billet pistons, TSM Elite Prime turbos, TSM Wet Sump Oling upgrade, flex fuel, ETS mid and down pipe, STM titanium axle back, STM race FMIC, ID2000s, Shep One K with drop gears and all the goodies., DS Axles, Volk Saga 18 10/12 (MT ET Streets), Advan GT Premium 20 R888. 1450+ hp / 1210+ tq

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#7 gixy2k

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Posted 07 November 2019 - 03:48 PM

These cars are just a simple JB4 tune away from [email protected] or better. My X5M tune only runs 11.2 @ 125+ and its 1000lbs heavier in 3500+DA. Personally, I would never use Dinan again. They shaft the dealer on any repairs and arguably do not even provide added performance. A tenth or two while JB4 adds dyno proven 120-150 wheel tq. The S63tu is a beast of a powertrain coupled with the ZF 8 speed. Similar trans in the RS5, X5M and Hellcats/Demons/Redeyes. They don’t even slip until 800+ lbft Good luck, if your just tuning it, I’d go with the M5 Building it, R35 all day.

Yeah, I'll be lying to you if I told you I'm well versed in the world of BMW tuning.  I mentioned Dinan because I've heard they specialize in BMWs and you get to keep your warranty (apparently not).

 

I would probably leave it stock for a while, anyways. And if tuned, maybe nothing beyond CAI & a tune.  These cars are very capable, but in a slightly different way than the GTRs.

 

I did hear or see somewhere that these engines were underrated at 600hp.  Some dynos were getting 550-560 to the wheel, which would equate to high 600s to low 700s at the flywheel (if I'm not mistaken)

 

But we'll see.  I'm taking my time, unless Nissan gives me a killer deal during Veteran's Day ;)



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Posted 07 November 2019 - 04:12 PM

Listen to your kids ;)

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Posted 07 November 2019 - 05:26 PM

Listen to your kids ;)

I'm telling you.  My family, specially my wife, make it hard for me to make sound logical decisions.  My wife sent me a text yesterday telling me to make arrangements to go pick up the GTR I've been eye-balling.  She is def. not the voice of reason.  She loves cars more than I do which results in my bank account being obliterated... :D  That is why I never take her when I know I'll be engaging in serious negotiation. 



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Posted 07 November 2019 - 07:05 PM

Can we trade wives? Lol

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Posted 07 November 2019 - 07:35 PM

Then it’s decided - gtr it is. Keep the wife happy. Then send it to Cicio at TSM and get a mild 1200hp build ;)
TSM Billet Crank 4.1 w/ CP billet pistons, TSM Elite Prime turbos, TSM Wet Sump Oling upgrade, flex fuel, ETS mid and down pipe, STM titanium axle back, STM race FMIC, ID2000s, Shep One K with drop gears and all the goodies., DS Axles, Volk Saga 18 10/12 (MT ET Streets), Advan GT Premium 20 R888. 1450+ hp / 1210+ tq

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Posted 08 November 2019 - 11:05 AM



I'm telling you.  My family, specially my wife, make it hard for me to make sound logical decisions.  My wife sent me a text yesterday telling me to make arrangements to go pick up the GTR I've been eye-balling.  She is def. not the voice of reason.  She loves cars more than I do which results in my bank account being obliterated... :D  That is why I never take her when I know I'll be engaging in serious negotiation. 

 

Your wife needs to get with my wife. I wish mine would tell me things like that! My wife's favorite words these days are, "NO."


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#13 gixy2k

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Posted 08 November 2019 - 12:54 PM

LOL!!!!

 

She does tell her friends to let their husbands/boyfriends buy their toys; that's how they are kept happy, busy and as a result, faithful (at least in theory).

 

Her logic with us personally is that we don't spend money in alcohol (not because of religion, we just don't), we don't smoke, and we don't really are into taking expensive vacations.  Our sole focus has been kids and cars/motorcycles.

 

She is wonderful, the best!  proven by 30 years of happy, and sometimes, challenging marriage.

 

Now, for an update:

 

I called yesterday and the GTR was gone!  Someone paid MSRP (or so the dealership claims) for a Premium White 2019 @ Nissan of Irvine.  

 

I'll keep looking....



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Posted 08 November 2019 - 02:11 PM

These cars are just a simple JB4 tune away from [email protected] or better. My X5M tune only runs 11.2 @ 125+ and its 1000lbs heavier in 3500+DA. Personally, I would never use Dinan again. They shaft the dealer on any repairs and arguably do not even provide added performance. A tenth or two while JB4 adds dyno proven 120-150 wheel tq. The S63tu is a beast of a powertrain coupled with the ZF 8 speed. Similar trans in the RS5, X5M and Hellcats/Demons/Redeyes. They don’t even slip until 800+ lbft Good luck, if your just tuning it, I’d go with the M5 Building it, R35 all day.

 

No, they dont, most stock ones on 91 trap 126-128, and 130-132 with jb4. On map 3, jb4 test car trapped 135, however that was on race gas which is required as map3  boosts to 25psi


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Posted 08 November 2019 - 02:31 PM

Dibs 2nd in line for that wife swap if gixy doesnt come thru. My wife hates cars the faster the more she gives all kinds of hassle. How I even managed to get a GTR I'm not even sure. Guess 17yrs of raw [dis]obedience and loss of man pants card made me worthy lol! GotZilla? '09 Alpha9 - XONA Greens

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Posted 23 November 2019 - 12:27 PM

One of my co-workers bought a new M5 Competition a few months ago. An absolute performance beast! But no way I would want to buy one, or any other "M". I see this guy's M in the parking lot and it looks pretty much like all the other Bimmers out there.


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Posted 27 November 2019 - 12:01 PM

I don't even notice BMW's anymore.  They all look the same.  I'd rather get a CTV-S and do a mild 800 HP build. 



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Posted 28 November 2019 - 11:32 AM

Bmw is going downhill fast, just like Audi. Has anyone seen the new R8 ? They want 230 don't they lol
In general German manufacturers will be having a hell of a time with those crazed climate change leftists. They want all combustion engines gone.
Crazy times.
The euro spec cars have barely any sound these days.
Porsche and Mercedes are both doing very well.

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Posted 28 November 2019 - 01:04 PM

Get what your heart suggests!

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Posted 29 November 2019 - 08:47 AM

BMW's are good quality cars and I've read about the M5. I had a 2016 M4 which was a fine car, and I had it tuned with Dinan before switching to much better BootMod. The M5 reminds me of a typical sedan family car...not sporty and not an eye catcher. The GTR is very mod friendly, even though when reading the owner's manual, they practically threaten you with your life for doing any mods to the car. I enjoy my GTR and plan to mod it after break in period. Japanese cars are high quality, as are the German cars. BMW is on top of the list for fast depreciation, losing tons of $ during the first year. On the other hand, GTR are on top of the list for retaining value. 


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