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#1 Autokeeper

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Posted 30 June 2020 - 02:58 PM

 I am conflicted on Tire Choice.

 

Firstly, let me explain my situation.

 

2013 GT-R Full E85 FBO-Stock Turbos: 625TQ/635HP-ECUTEK tuned by Tim Bailey.

 

I have the car "dialed in" to the performance  Ievel  which I am satisfied: 2.95 to 3.05 on Draggy: 0-60 MPH consistently.

 

No Drag Strip or Road Course Driving: Just Street Driving  with some Launching. [ now plan on maximum of 3 times per month]

 

I want to keep  285s around.

 

Been using Dunlop Nismos , but since I have been " dialing it in" I have Launched over 50 times on this set of tires and they are ready for replacement..

 

 

Given the "use model" I intend to drive in the future and the GT-R built level; which tires would be suggested for at least 10K miles wear and traction to maintain my 0-60 time between:

 

*Pilot SS

*P0s

*Dunlop MAXX[present tires]

 

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

 

Regards and Keep Healthy

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Edited by Autokeeper, 30 June 2020 - 02:59 PM.


#2 Geno88

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Posted 30 June 2020 - 03:39 PM

Yokohama Advan A052. try it. Just spoke to AutoXGTR.


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Posted 30 June 2020 - 05:20 PM

The problem is street use and 10K miles wear needed.

 

First get very minimal negative camber alignment or good wear will be tough to obtain.

 

Next your desire for good launch and drag times is opposite of friendly street use and longer tread wear- the more you do for one the less you get for the other- compromise tires do neither well.

 

So if priority is on drag times and good grip then Toyo R888R (or other streetable R compound tire) is durable but noisy and not good for wet, doesn't wear 10K miles unless you really are very careful or you can rotate/flip tires when they show front wear at 35% on inner treads. Then move left front to right rear, etc.

 

If priority is on street driving and 10K miles wear but Ok on drag grip then maybe Michelin Pilot 4S not Super Sport (both Max Summer tires) in 285/35-20 square which gives better wear and better comfort and low noise. Or Extreme Summer tire for more grip but not as comfortable and not as good wear as Max Summer tire- e.g. Yokohama Advan A052 in 285/35-20 square. Again you can rotate and flip tires for better front tire wear.

 

Realize no tire will do the things you want and wear well. Good launch grip with your power mods requires soft rubber which wears fast. Less soft rubber will wear better but not hook up as well for as long, as they age the rubber gets hard and doesn't grip well.

 

Nismo Dunlops not very good, other options are better.


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Posted 30 June 2020 - 05:25 PM

I switched to the pilot sport 4s a couple weeks ago from the factory Dunlops and it was a night and day difference. My pick would be the 4s. I believe the 4s is the newer/better version of the super sport. I went with a 285 front 295 rear setup. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

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Posted 30 June 2020 - 11:58 PM

I switched to the pilot sport 4s a couple weeks ago from the factory Dunlops and it was a night and day difference. My pick would be the 4s. I believe the 4s is the newer/better version of the super sport. I went with a 285 front 295 rear setup. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

 

Front 285/35-20 and rear 295/35-20 are fine with OEM wheels and suspension but you can't rotate flip front to rear for longer treadlife and you get only a little more tire on the rear which has some value but you have to access the cost difference and if it will do anything positive for your priorities

 

Not all tires come in 295/35-20 so tire selection is also a factor.

 

Michelin Pilot Sport 4S is the successor to the Pilot Super Sport but they are relatively close for street use. Michelin has slightly different sizes available for each so that can be a factor for some owners with extra wide rear wheels.


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Posted 01 July 2020 - 12:09 AM

Another option are 18" wheels. They are cheaper and have more options for tires then 20's. Use the 20s for commuting and the 18's for fun. The cost of the 18's return the longer you have them because rubber is cheaper in that size.


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Posted 01 July 2020 - 11:46 AM

I want to thank you all for your input.

 

Another great reason to belong to this group of individuals who have the experienced and will share their experience  with others

 

I completely understand that the two needs, wear and traction are at odd with one another.

 

I think I will go with the Pilot Sport 4S

 

Again, thank you all for your input.



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Posted 01 July 2020 - 12:17 PM

Another option are 18" wheels. They are cheaper and have more options for tires then 20's. Use the 20s for commuting and the 18's for fun. The cost of the 18's return the longer you have them because rubber is cheaper in that size.

 

For the average GTR owner there isn't a strong reason to move from 20" wheels in either OEM sizes or slightly wider with 20" tire sizes to other wheel diameters like 18".

 

18" wheels will fit the rear of the GTR but not as well in fronts due to the large brake caliper. A few common 18" wheels will fit with minimal clearance on CBA 2009-2010 GTRs. Otherwise 19" wheels are better for DBA models.

 

As far as sizing goes if you want to keep the 28" tire diameter then many tires in 18" sizes have much smaller tire diameters- For example

 

Michelin Pilot Sport 4S

widest 18" is

285/35-18 fits wheels 9.5-11" wide, perfect for 10" wide rim, tire diam. 25.9" $315 each

widest in 19" is

295/35-19 tire diam. 27.1"

305/30-19 tire diam. 26.3"

325/30-19 tire diam. 26.7"

 

Toyo R888R

In 18" sizes

295/30-18 tire diam. 25"  $278 each

305/35-18 tire diam. 26.4"  $330 each

315/30-18 tire diam. 25.5" $312 each

335/30-18 tire diam. 25.9"  $356 each


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Posted 02 July 2020 - 12:30 AM

 

For the average GTR owner there isn't a strong reason to move from 20" wheels in either OEM sizes or slightly wider with 20" tire sizes to other wheel diameters like 18".

 

18" wheels will fit the rear of the GTR but not as well in fronts due to the large brake caliper. A few common 18" wheels will fit with minimal clearance on CBA 2009-2010 GTRs. Otherwise 19" wheels are better for DBA models.

 

As far as sizing goes if you want to keep the 28" tire diameter then many tires in 18" sizes have much smaller tire diameters- For example

 

Michelin Pilot Sport 4S

widest 18" is

285/35-18 fits wheels 9.5-11" wide, perfect for 10" wide rim, tire diam. 25.9" $315 each

widest in 19" is

295/35-19 tire diam. 27.1"

305/30-19 tire diam. 26.3"

325/30-19 tire diam. 26.7"

 

Toyo R888R

In 18" sizes

295/30-18 tire diam. 25"  $278 each

305/35-18 tire diam. 26.4"  $330 each

315/30-18 tire diam. 25.5" $312 each

335/30-18 tire diam. 25.9"  $356 each

 

Thanks for the info, but 18's do fit the gtr. From what I understand It's the front upright, not the calipers, that don't clear unless you get the correct offset; correct me if im wrong in this. I have been reseaching the subject because I plan on tracking this car soon. 18" squared is a very common modification for track guys as you know. You just have to make sure to do your cool down lap/laps and that's why is said to switch back to 20's for mileage driving.

 

$1200 for a set of RS3/4's , Rivals, Starspecs, R888's, Slicks and a variety of other tires beats the hell out of 2k for 20" mp4s's in my opinion.

 

Diameter does not matter as long as you are not slammed and the diameters match.


Edited by livinlrg05, 02 July 2020 - 12:32 AM.


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Posted 02 July 2020 - 12:37 AM

I want to thank you all for your input.

 

Another great reason to belong to this group of individuals who have the experienced and will share their experience  with others

 

I completely understand that the two needs, wear and traction are at odd with one another.

 

I think I will go with the Pilot Sport 4S

 

Again, thank you all for your input.

 

If you want a tire that is reasonably good at mileage and traction it's a good pick. I have a set with almost 5k mi on them and they have 80-90% life left. But then again I drive slightly different then the guy who sold them to me.



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Posted 02 July 2020 - 03:49 PM

 Those of you who have had some extensive experience with both the Stock Dunlops and the Pilot Sport 4S, could you give me an evaluation of traction comparison?

 

Is the Pilot Sport 4S comparable to or better/worse  than the Stock Dunlops, as Traction to me  is a bit more important than life.

 

Thanks 


Edited by Autokeeper, 02 July 2020 - 03:50 PM.


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Posted 02 July 2020 - 05:45 PM

 Those of you who have had some extensive experience with both the Stock Dunlops and the Pilot Sport 4S, could you give me an evaluation of traction comparison?

 

Is the Pilot Sport 4S comparable to or better/worse  than the Stock Dunlops, as Traction to me  is a bit more important than life.

 

Thanks 

I know it wasn't an initial contender but if you want traction over life the best of the best would be the R888R's, followed by the pilot cup 2's. That said, these are 100% geared towards traction so your wear would be about 30% less than the stock dunlops in my experience anyways!


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Posted 02 July 2020 - 11:47 PM

I know it wasn't an initial contender but if you want traction over life the best of the best would be the R888R's, followed by the pilot cup 2's. That said, these are 100% geared towards traction so your wear would be about 30% less than the stock dunlops in my experience anyways!

 

 

All depends what you are doing, your budget and your requirements.

 

OP had priority of Street driving with some launching, 10K mile tread life, good grip for FOB power mods. It would be difficult for any tire of treadwear less than 300 to get this many miles with street use.

 

In general the following may apply-

 

Look at classes of tires to get an idea of what to expect- there are variations within any tire class with good examples and models that are not as good.

 

 

Racetrack and Autocross tires

Toyo R888R   Treadwear 100    285/35-20  $428 each

 

Streetable Competition and track tires- 

Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2   Treadwear 180  285/35-20 $381 each

 

Extreme Summer tires

Dunlop SP Sport Maxx GT 600 DSST CTT Runflats  Treadwear 200/Treadwear 160    285/35-20   $568 each/$475-500 each

Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 Connect (240)   Treadwear 240    285/35-20 $494 each  (New track oriented street tire)

Bridgestone RE71R    Treadwear 200    285/35-20  $342 each

Yokohama Advan A052  Treadwear 200   285/35-20  $384 each

 

Max Summer tires

Michelin Pilot Sport 4S  Treadwear 300   285/35-20   $358 each

 

So from top to bottom each class has soft grippy rubber which doesn't last at the top to less soft but longer lasting rubber at the bottom and many shades in between to varying amounts and for different prices. You can't compare grip levels between classes that well because they are not meant to do the same job in all respects. Dunlop runflats come in multiple variants with the Treadwear 200 being more basic and the Nismo treadwear 160 being a bit better with higher cost and less tread depth when new. Max Summer tires do not offer the same grip levels as Extreme Summer tires so there is really no comparison.

 

However Max Summer tires like the Pilot Sport 4S are excellent street tires and will last better and are easy to live with for street use and daily driving. Rubber that is softer with tread designs that are built for grip and track driving are typically firm riding, noisy and may not do well in wet.

Within Max Summer tire class the Pilot Sport 4S is a good choice for tire sizes that are friendly to the wheel sizes of the GTR.


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Posted 03 July 2020 - 01:35 AM

 Those of you who have had some extensive experience with both the Stock Dunlops and the Pilot Sport 4S, could you give me an evaluation of traction comparison?
 
Is the Pilot Sport 4S comparable to or better/worse  than the Stock Dunlops, as Traction to me  is a bit more important than life.
 
Thanks 


For a fbo car these tires are the really good. You will be able to get more then 10k miles and have fun along the way. The stock Dunlops have really stif sidewalls and that works against grip and ride comfort. Above fbo go with a lower tread wear tire.


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