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#1 foriah

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Posted 24 February 2021 - 03:49 AM

Hello there
I have my FBO GTR 2017 with 16000 miles
And I as mention before at other topic thats I am gona upgrade my stock turbo to bl750

but
when I was reading and doing many research regarding to how reliable and the engine , I feel little bit scary reading to the risk for the engine failure when its above 650whp

So I decide to build the shot block at minimum parts as I need to rebuild the engine

Thats whats is the car mode right now ;
Intake
Injectors 1050
Downpipe
Medpipe and catback
Blov tail
Thermostat 160
Ecuteck

The setup thats I am gona do now are ;
Bl750
Bl inlet
Dw300c pump
FIC 1650 injectors
Flex fuel viscont
Bl oil catch can
Ams street intercooler
BL 3 port boost controller

Engine build will be :

Pistons and rods Manley
Gaskets
Main and head studs
Crank balancing

The car will be use for street racing and rolling race not for drag or track
And I hope with thats mode ,the car can made
700whp at pump gas 93
800whp at e85

The gear will be totally stock


What do you think guys regarding to the setup mention above , I just wana the car be dependable all the time with zero issue

I need your opening if I need to add anything more or any comment

Thanks a lot in advance

#2 droptopp

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Posted 24 February 2021 - 09:37 AM

You won’t ever get better reliability than the stock FBO setup.
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Old setups : more AMS motors than anyone I know - Alpha 9 w/ AMS 3.8, GTX3582R Gen II w/ AMS 4.1 billet crank, GTX3582R Gen II w/ AMS 4.0 big bore billet crank and of course FBO E85.

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Posted 24 February 2021 - 09:52 AM

My car has been on SIR Stage 1 turbos for about 3.5 years and 60k miles. My car has 138k miles on it. Before that it was FBO E85 and before that FBO on gasoline. I’ve put over 100k miles on the car since I’ve owned it.

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Posted 24 February 2021 - 10:24 AM

dw300c pumps will not flow enough for 800whp on E85, you will need bigger fuel pumps.

 

I have Xona greens, same turbos as BL750X, it will also slip clutches during any launch and some times during gear shifts. I am upgrading clutches and baskets right now. So I would do trans upgrades at the same time otherwise you will not be able to max those turbos out.

 

Street intercooler is also not sufficient. I saw 180 intake temps during half mile runs on my friends BL750X car, need race intercooler for sure.


Edited by kaane, 24 February 2021 - 10:25 AM.


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Posted 24 February 2021 - 10:39 AM

Hello there
I have my FBO GTR 2017 with 16000 miles
And I as mention before at other topic thats I am gona upgrade my stock turbo to bl750

but
when I was reading and doing many research regarding to how reliable and the engine , I feel little bit scary reading to the risk for the engine failure when its above 650whp

So I decide to build the shot block at minimum parts as I need to rebuild the engine

Thats whats is the car mode right now ;
Intake
Injectors 1050
Downpipe
Medpipe and catback
Blov tail
Thermostat 160
Ecuteck

The setup thats I am gona do now are ;
Bl750
Bl inlet
Dw300c pump
FIC 1650 injectors
Flex fuel viscont
Bl oil catch can
Ams street intercooler
BL 3 port boost controller

Engine build will be :

Pistons and rods Manley
Gaskets
Main and head studs
Crank balancing

The car will be use for street racing and rolling race not for drag or track
And I hope with thats mode ,the car can made
700whp at pump gas 93
800whp at e85

The gear will be totally stock


What do you think guys regarding to the setup mention above , I just wana the car be dependable all the time with zero issue

I need your opening if I need to add anything more or any comment

Thanks a lot in advance

 

Hey Brother,

 

While it may add some peace of mind to build the short block for a turbo upgrade, we do our gateway turbo upgrades on stock engine/trans cars on a daily basis and offer a 1 year warranty on it as well so its definitely doable to have a 800whp car that will be reliable without having to build the engine or trans.

 

As mentioned above you will need bigger pumps but that is a simple upgrade as well.

 

If you have any questions on this let me know!

 

Thanks

Andrew


Edited by [email protected], 24 February 2021 - 10:39 AM.

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#6 foriah

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Posted 24 February 2021 - 12:09 PM

Thanks a lot guys
But when I heard a lot of stories about how weak the connected rods its May let the engine failed any time

So I decide to build the engine with just the parts need to handle 800 whp for daily use

What I concern now is :
Piston and rod Manley upgrad
Main and head studs ARP
Crank balance

Do I need to add more upgraded parts or should the OEM another part will handle that kind of power
For example should I do something with :
heads , cams , values , chains , oil pump etc .

As I mention just try to do as minimum parts I can thats handle the 800 whp

Thanks again for your suggestion or comment

Edited by foriah, 24 February 2021 - 12:10 PM.


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Posted 24 February 2021 - 12:24 PM

Thanks a lot guys
But when I heard a lot of stories about how weak the connected rods its May let the engine failed any time

So I decide to build the engine with just the parts need to handle 800 whp for daily use

What I concern now is :
Piston and rod Manley upgrad
Main and head studs ARP
Crank balance

Do I need to add more upgraded parts or should the OEM another part will handle that kind of power
For example should I do something with :
heads , cams , values , chains , oil pump etc .

As I mention just try to do as minimum parts I can thats handle the 800 whp

Thanks again for your suggestion or comment

 

 

Being a 2017 with low mileage it shouldn't need new oil pump and the chains should all be good although replacing the primary chain isn't a bad idea.

 

You certainly don't need to upgrade the heads or cams or even valves if you plan to stay at 800whp. You can also use OEM main and head bolts at that power level without issue as well.

 

Thanks

Andrew


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Posted 25 February 2021 - 01:57 AM

when I was reading and doing many research regarding to how reliable and the engine , I feel little bit scary reading to the risk for the engine failure when its above 650whp
 

I think you mean 650 tq, not hp. As long you keep torque below this, it seems these engine usually hold up. This is the trick to keep the rods straight and still have plenty of hp (800 whp) up top.


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#9 foriah

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Posted 25 February 2021 - 03:30 AM

 Thanks a lot for your advice
Can you DM me your email
I would like to see if you do remote tune
Thanks a lot
 
Being a 2017 with low mileage it shouldn't need new oil pump and the chains should all be good although replacing the primary chain isn't a bad idea.
 
You certainly don't need to upgrade the heads or cams or even valves if you plan to stay at 800whp. You can also use OEM main and head bolts at that power level without issue as well.
 
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Posted 25 February 2021 - 03:31 AM

How about if I go more than 650tq with the build engine I mean above

Will it be fine !!

How about the stock transmission
How much the limitations for the WHP and the tq

I think you mean 650 tq, not hp. As long you keep torque below this, it seems these engine usually hold up. This is the trick to keep the rods straight and still have plenty of hp (800 whp) up top.



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Posted 25 February 2021 - 09:02 AM

How about if I go more than 650tq with the build engine I mean above

Will it be fine !!

How about the stock transmission
How much the limitations for the WHP and the tq
 

 

With a built engine you can go above the 650wtq limit for sure but then the stock clutch in the trans is going to be unhappy.

 

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Andrew


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#12 foriah

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Posted 25 February 2021 - 09:57 AM

Can I get your email buddy
I need to get remote tune

Thanks

 
With a built engine you can go above the 650wtq limit for sure but then the stock clutch in the trans is going to be unhappy.
 
Thanks
Andrew



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Posted 25 February 2021 - 03:32 PM

Can I get your email buddy
I need to get remote tune

Thanks
 

 

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#14 paydro413

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Posted 02 March 2021 - 05:30 AM

If you're going to build tte engine you might as well do trans and up the power a bit.




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