[First]

Hi guys. I'm having some personal dillemma here and has been cracking my head for the last couple of weeks trying to reach to a decision.

I was offered a 2012 blue GTR couple of months back and finally the car has arrived at the dealership. I do not see a point in keeping two GTRs. So I have to either trade up to the new car or keep the current car.

Now the dilemma is, my current red gtr is a fully built 1000hp car. It has major works done including 4.1l stroked engine and cams, pistons, you name it. Trans also done with sportsman kit and the necessary. A myriads of cooler upgrades including rear os giken differential change. It is running on Advan F15 wheels and Tommy Kaira fullkit including nordring rear bumpers.

The drivability of the car is considered very streetable but definaely no where near stock level drivability. Can you daily this car? Yes definately you could.

I think i know what most people's general opinion's are. But somehow deep inside me, I have this feeling of starting afresh with the new car. But this time, keeping the car down to a mild/moderate mods. What I mean is just some custom tunes with injectors and fuel pumps upgrades to hold a high boost and make the car run strong around 600 to 700hp. Yes I do miss letting go my current car.

I recall one of the administrator MC has opted to keep his new car entirely stock. This intrigues me. Is 2012 that much of an upgrade that touching it would be a heresy as most poeple do not require the kind of power at 1000hp? To be honest. I'm so confused right now lol! And this would be my 3rd GTR if i am to pull the trigger. I started with a 2008 JDM SS and to the current 2010 EDM Red and now possibily to a 2012 EDM Blue. And partically I love the blue color and got slight bored with the red.

Would appreciate any comments and advises. (I do have other performance cars. So this applies to the GTR only. I love this car so much that I had to have a GTR in my stables.) Getting an Aventador late of the year too.

 

[Ben Linney]

nice dilemma to have James.

I see a trend here. Buy stock JDM GT-R, then tune it. then sell it. buy stock EDM GT-R, then tune it then sell it. buy 2012 EDM stock,..... then. If you want 700hp out of the 2012 then damaging rods should always be at the back of your mind.

Blue is very nice and i love the rear but now you have 2011 gearbox software via the AccessPORT i don't see too many advantages of the 2012, other than there's not much better than picking up a brand new fresh untouched motor

Personally i would work on your current car spec. maybe a better response turbo.

I so hope you have the Aventador when i'm over your way xmas

 

[First]

Granted Ben, the new LC4 really does make day and night difference on the transmission. This is even more apparent when you have a build transmission. I was pleasantly surprised when I loaded the map the other day.

Meanwhile, I am talking about flywheel 700hp. I was under the assumption quite a few stock turbo GTR has came close or even surpass the 700hp mark? (flywheel)

I am just very reluctant to mess with the mechanics and dynamics of the stock GTR. The balance of the car stock out of factory is just too good to be messed with. Everytime I touch something, I just have this nagging feeling I just messed up the car's balance or geometry on how the car was suppose and designed to be used as.

I am willing to go for all mods on this car as long as it does not involved dropping the engine or modding the transmission. The rest is all fine with me.

Ben, I have a strong feeling i'm going to pull the trigger on this one.

And if you come during xmas, chances are you will see the LP700

 

[GOJEERA]

I think that if you intend to mod the 2012 anyway I wouldn't see a point in trading "up" to it. Why not keep the one you have and put the rest of your efforts towards another project? Remember, at one point in time the car you have is the car you dreamed of having.

 

[Ben Linney]

sounds like you've made your mind up and personally i would also prefer a nice clean 2012 EDM with just remap and nice exhaust

 

[rgo808]

Have you considered painting your car blue,, remove the kit to pay for the paint and the 2012 bumper , buy some Recaros and tune down to 700bhp. Done, and cost nothing. Just a thought

 

[Rhyno46]

I don't understand this dilemma other than from the aspect of "I want a new one." In my book that's a perfectly fine reason but no one can answer that other than you.

 

[James]

Man I say just keep the GTR and get another...seems like you have the money. So why not keep both, have two different purposes for both, one can be 1000+hp races and drag. The other more subtle and showy type, put some 3 piece wheels, and simple exhaust, mid pipe, downpipes, and a custom tune easily 600hp and make it a show car. Thats my plan.

Man your so lucky aventador thats is one sexy beauty that I wish to own.

 

[Monaco]

Keep both! If you can afford an Aventador, you can afford to have both around. The itch for speed will always be there and you will never be able to recover the costs on the modded GT-R if you do sale/trade. Nice dilemma indeed!

 

[Knockturnal_Knight]

It's your gut - not ours. If I were the 1000 HP GTR owner, I'd never think of letting it go after waiting for the build+spending on it+falling in deep love with it...if you're getting the Avendator, then hell keep the beast!

You might get a new GTR - but then what? modify it all over again? Maybe if you're talking "only" 600-700 HP, but I don't think a guy with an Avendator and a previous 1000 HP GTR owner would stop there. You'll basically throw away all the money+time spent waiting on your build for a weaker yet new looking version of the same car - no upgrade IMHO.

Ofcourse, there is always a solution; get the new one and keep the old monster, but that's a battle you and your checkbook will have to fight over .

This is purely my point of view, I'm not saying you'll be wrong if you get the new one and sell this - I'm saying you'll be clinically insane.

 

[max_R35]

Get the 2012 with an exhaust and tune

Make the 2010 a full race car

 

[BPAuto2]

James, we upgraded from our 2010 to our 2012 and we think the new car is excellent as a platform. It's a hard choice but we'd suggest you consider the 2012, as the collection of improvements are just an incredible improvement.

 

[krea.tion]

I do not see a point in keeping two GTRs.

This would only apply if both GT-Rs were built to achieve the same purpose. OP, lets make it clear, a stock 2012 and a 1000+hp 2010 are two VERY different cars with very different purposes. I would take both if the checkbook allowed. Build the heck outta the 1000+ and make it a world record contender and keep the 2012 relatively stock and use it as a daily. Seems like you are hardly short on cash, wouldn't this be the no-brainer choice? Cheers and congrats on your awesome dilemma

 

[domino_z]

i can see the logic behind starting a new project, and maybe not going so ott with the build

i myself think sometimes ive gone too far with the mods as they compromise the daily driveability of the car (and i bought it solely as a dd) - eg; installing the catless dp's means ive had to chase the extra drone with more dynamat in the boot and floor

but a stock gtr is quite boring in comparison

i personally would wait for a complete model redesign - i never really see the point of dropping depreciation if i jump back in the drivers seat and everything still looks the same

 

[Optherion]

If you want your GT-R to feel new, have the interior done with some genuine leather, buy the 2012 carbon fiber trim pieces, Upgrade to the 2012 BE seats and be done with it. I see no point in getting a 2012 when you have an incredibly built GT-R. Unless it is that itch for something new, but even that wears off and gets boring. You could also do some exterior refresh mods as well. If you were to swap everything you have on the 2010 into the 2012, or upgrade the 2012 at some point to 1000 hp, you essentially have the same car without cosmetic mods. How long do you think you will have the 2012 for before it becomes a big HP build?

My honest vote, get a 2012. You can afford it, and you will mod it. I cant imagine having 1000 hp, but it must make a stock GT-R feel gutless in comparison ?

 

[Go!Zilla]

With the mods you have, they would basically be different cars. Besides, a red and a blue complement one another.

 

[SpecG]

Maybe a lesson to others going too far with your drivers car.. once you have compromised the refinement/reliability of a car.. you wont appreciate it as much..even though you have 1000hp or more you gonna want to get rid of it. If the GTR is the only car you drive the most ie to shops, malls, to family dinner, to weddings etc....tune it carefully, think about the compromises you will have to live with when modifying. The more HP you go the lesser the refinement. There will be sweet spots other than from the factory but you will have to find it yourself.

Some things to think about when setting HP targets.

sleeving/built engines - creates more noise and maybe vibration and reduce refinement
bigger turbos - spools dam slow, when your not driving hard, this will piss you off
larger exhaust - when is too loud? (mine is a little too loud for my refinement standards)
brakes - performs poorly with higher HP, unbalanced (i am experiencing this myself)
gearbox - needs upgrading - maybe more noise in transmission?
clutches - needs upgrading - need specialist ie dodson, once you get to high mileage..when you need to service your car..you will think about this
serviceability - Nissan dealers should be able to fix your car.. the more mods you have the less likely Nissan will fix it for you if something goes wrong.
fuel - you should be able to drive your car where ever you want to go

For the OP, I would say sell and get a new one and start doing the mods carefully, because you have experience other high end super cars, you will have better judgement to some others here of what is good, what is tolerable. For you though I would suggest balance the power with how you want to use it..think about reliability and refinement as top priority.

 

[First]

Thanks for everyone's valued feedbacks. I am not looking for financial advise as regards to how much I've spent on the current car as oppose to how much I'll be trading/selling it off for and etc.

Yes I enjoy my current car's brutality. It basically kills everything on the road. Infact it is so hyped and scary, no one even bothers to race me or anything. Not even setting up races on drags. But I'm not really happy with the car and I do not know why. It feels like something's missing from the current car. You could say the refinement of the car is gone. The balance is no longer there. And SpecG is spot on regarding the brakes. You feel you could never brake in time. And there comes a point when too much power is too much if you use it on city roads! And no I hardly go to drags nor tracks. So I suppose this IS a lesson for me. I've gone too far in power mods on this car and sacrificed everything else. I've basically ignored what the GTR is originally intended for. In pursuit of big horsepower, I've forgotten what I really use the car for. I have other cars. But I like to daily this car the most. And the refinement is just no longer there to be dailied comfortably. I remember climbing into a friend's 2008 stock JDM with some mild tune and it drives like a saloon car and I was envious of his car! (And he is of mine lol).

As Ben GTC said, there is something about the ZEN/Balance of the GTR that one should never touch unless you're just building a bats out of hell dragters doing 8secs. So yea. I've decided to let go of the current car and pick up a brand new blue 2012. This time I'll do cosmetic mods and keep a mild tune and enjoy the car as it is. Now I understand why some JDM tuners are so particular about GTR when they talk about balance and response such as people from Mines. (I am not dissing US tuners. No offense) It matters on how you use your car and with that, you decided what level of tunes you go for. In my case, I've went overboard and would like to start anew.

Thank you for everyone's comment. As many of you mention both is a different machine, I still do not see a point in keeping both cars. Its not warranted in my opinion.

 

[biznaka]

So now that you made your decision - what exactly are you going to do with your current vehicle. Selling it on NAGTROC?

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If I were in your shoes, I would have made the same decision. Congrats!

 

[domino_z]

forget driveability, with the wald kit id just have hated to even look at it

re mechanicls i wouldn't go further than an hks gt600 kit - either the kit itself or a diy kit with your own selected parts

big builds look cool on my web browser though