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Is California talking about an ECU test that must show OEM software or you fail the emissions test ??

Is this coming or just under discussion ??
 

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Yes, you need to have a stock map installed on the car or you will not pass as of 2020. I’m told our cars are flagged so if you don’t pass it’s automatic Ref. This is what my Smog guy said in Temecula. I’m having my stuff uninstalled Wednesday.
 

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Wow.................This is end of story for built and tuned cars in Cali.............. I hope Arizona does not go to this.............. Glad it is easy for me to reflash OEM software...
 

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This shit is gonna trickle down you watch. Every state usually follows Calis stupid compliance acts.
FOOK cali. sick of this crap.
 

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Swapping to stock map and swapping to stock injectors. Will that be sufficient or will emissions be all over the place for a fully built car with intakes, turbos, exhaust etc?
Sucks if you have to make it stock for each inspection.
Related qustion: can't you register the car with all mods in Cali/US? Thats what we sometimes do here in Sweden when rebuilding our vehicles.
 

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Just get some Big Daddies, remove SD, and flash tune back to stock check to make sure O2s and MAF are enabled, and it should be good lol?
Here in Colorado they checked mine for the software part number and compared it against the California database to ensure it matched.
 

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Just get some Big Daddies, remove SD, and flash tune back to stock check to make sure O2s and MAF are enabled, and it should be good lol?
Damn that's crazy, hope we don't go that way. If it's a visual inspect only, that's still ok, but if it's software validated what a pain.
 

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Here in Indiana we don't even have inspections, visual or otherwise. I can't imagine going through the headache of returning to stock just to pass an inspection. I assume they're annual inspections?
 

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It's proposed to go into effect July 2020 according to CA bureau of auto repair. 2 parameters they'll be looking for are CVN AND CAL-ID.

Calibration Verification Number (CVN): a number set by OEMs to verify the integrity of the vehicle software
Calibration Identification (Cal-ID): an ID for the software installed on the Electronic Control Unit (ECU)

I believe you can pull both CVN (aka checksum) and CAL-ID using a proper OBD scanner. I'll check my scanner here shortly....it would be helpful if anyone has info on stock GTR values for CVN and CAL-ID.
 

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It's proposed to go into effect July 2020 according to CA bureau of auto repair. 2 parameters they'll be looking for are CVN AND CAL-ID.

Calibration Verification Number (CVN): a number set by OEMs to verify the integrity of the vehicle software
Calibration Identification (Cal-ID): an ID for the software installed on the Electronic Control Unit (ECU)

I believe you can pull both CVN (aka checksum) and CAL-ID using a proper OBD scanner. I'll check my scanner here shortly....it would be helpful if anyone has info on stock GTR values for CVN and CAL-ID.
I wonder if something like this could violate other privacy laws. Who is to say they will go further and start logging this information and gather more than required....
 

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Big Daddies told me the mini cats would not work on my 2012 GTR.

I wonder if you jsut have a cobb or ecutek if you can put in a stock tune and put on your cats, drive for 150 miles and then pass?
 

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glad in Canada they outed the drive clean testing. ITS GONE!!!!! free for all !!!!
Drive Clean in Ontario, AirCare out west in B.C. - was a just a provincial cash grab....
 

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This proposed requirement appears to be another layer on top of emissions readiness. Here's a good reference article from CA BAR: https://www.bar.ca.gov/pdf/On_Board_Diagnostic_System_vehicle_Tampering_Prevention_10.17.19.pdf

Basically spells out:

MANY MODIFIED VEHICLES NOT IDENTIFIED DURING SMOG CHECK
• While Referee inspections identify computer programming modifications, many other similarly modified vehicles are not identified
• Implementation of automated CVN/Cal-ID checks at Smog Check stations will identify and curb the use of illegal programming on vehicle computers

Canada is looking like a really good option...
 

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Wonder if they realise it will put autoshops out of work and further accelerate unemployement...
I am all for striving for a better environment, but I feel getting rid of coalplants should be higher on the list than cars that put out a little too much emissions.
 

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So, the next software engineer who can place the OEM signature back into the ECU may win the tuner games... for California......... other states may or may not follow ??
 

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So, the next software engineer who can place the OEM signature back into the ECU may win the tuner games... for California......... other states may or may not follow ??
Yeah or a mitm attack and spoof the Cal-ID and CVN. Im sure someone will develop a device which can mimic OEM values.
 

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Yet another reason to stay out of the Peoples' Socialist Republic of California.
 
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