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Got to love it when the wifey...gives you that push..."Get it already" ...OK TexasED when need pics...Proof of life...lol...Enjoy That Special Beast
I was originally dealing with a moron dealer for a 50th Anniversary and he demanded my wiring him immediately $130,000 like I have that amount normally in my checking account. He wouldn't take a deposit. I was telling my wife about this jerk and she got pissed at the dealer. She said "why don't you get the green one? It is pretty". I called the dealer that evening and bought the car. I might have it by the end of next week as enclosed trailers sometimes take a few days to schedule. It is green which I do like a lot.
 

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Seems like new inventory is running on empty; 5 new available at the time of this post. Pre-owned units are in the 200s still. And prices are still high.
 

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Quick update on new GTRs:

Only three available in the nation and they are all T-Spec.
One in Santa Clara, they are asking $500K; they are also asking $220K for a '23 allocation
One in Ontario, they are asking $265K; this one seems to have miles already, WTF?
One in New Jersey, I didn't bother calling, because they are always in tralaland when it comes to pricing. Not that Santa Clara is not a new definition of ridiculousness!!!

New GTRs are now officially a collectors car, aiming for those with deep pockets, a few brain-cells, or big love for the R35.

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There was one advertised in CarGurus in KY, but the owner of the dealership decided to keep the GTR and not sell it.... :/
 

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Quick update on new GTRs:

Only three available in the nation and they are all T-Spec.
One in Santa Clara, they are asking $500K; they are also asking $220K for a '23 allocation
One in Ontario, they are asking $265K; this one seems to have miles already, WTF?
One in New Jersey, I didn't bother calling, because they are always in tralaland when it comes to pricing. Not that Santa Clara is not a new definition of ridiculousness!!!

New GTRs are now officially a collectors car, aiming for those with deep pockets, a few brain-cells, or big love for the R35.

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There was one advertised in CarGurus in KY, but the owner of the dealership decided to keep the GTR and not sell it.... :/
I purchased a new T-spec from a dealer when they first began appearing. I paid $180k, never drove it, and sold it for $205. I have a 2020 that I enjoy so had no need to drive the Tspec. and see the value drop because of miles driven.
 

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And that is how it’s done lol
 

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I purchased a new T-spec from a dealer when they first began appearing. I paid $180k, never drove it, and sold it for $205. I have a 2020 that I enjoy so had no need to drive the Tspec. and see the value drop because of miles driven.
not bad. ive been tracking these lately and only see a couple currently up for sale private party. I see a MP in FL for 240K with 5k miles on it and a MJ at a lambo dealer in TX for about 240K also. thats not yours is it?
 

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So, I was having a conversation with one of the dealers, and he made it sound like there were no more GTRs in the market. So I decided to do a quick market research, and this is what came up (yes, I got on the phone and called all these dealerships):

CityYearColorPrice
Riverside, CA21White
$133,760​
Riverside, CA21White
$133,760​
Orange, CA20White
$133,000​
Orange, CA20Black
$125,000​
Orange, CA21Blue
$157,000​
San Juan Cap, CA21Black
$140,040​
Alhambra, CA21White
$151,000​
Alhambra, CA21White
$151,001​
Van Nuys, CA21White
$146,000​
Concord, CA21White
$151,040​
Deluth, GA21BlueMSRP+MU
New Castle, DE21Red
$125,000​
New Castle, DE21White
$126,000​
Pompano Beach, FL21White
$141,000​
Scottsdale, AZ21BlackMSRP+$10K
Matteson, IL21SS
$141,040​
Stafford, TX21BlackMSRP+MU
Note: MU = Mark Up (existing, but not disclosed)

Granted, they are no where close to MSRP, but they are out there.

A few things to note, there are a few 2020s in Orange, CA that are not being advertised. Also, a few of the dealers have inbounds besides what is shown above. And lastly, New Castle, DE claims to have had 9 coming in, and already sold 7. They are the only ones asking for MSRP at this moment. Van Nuys gets the "Douche Bag" customer service award. The guy was very rude at the end of the conversation.

Note: Be advised, if you call a dealership using the phone listed in CarGurus, CarGurus will provide your name and information based on your Goggle account (from what I could tell). If you don't want them to know who you are, get the dealer's phone number from the dealer's website.
Good work (y)(y)(y)
 

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thats crazy
I understand that a market economy is driven by decisions made by buyers and sellers. But as long as dealers charge really high ADM, and there continues to be buyers to who pay it, these cars will remain out of reach for people like me. I don't like it, but that's just the way it is. I previously bought a '21 C8 at MSRP, and am on another C8 list for MSRP. But along with another car I've had my eye on, the Lotus Emira, the GT-R would still be my choice among the three IF it were sold at MSRP.
UPDATE: I've contacted a few Nissan dealers here in Florida, and all are selling with ADM. One said theirs would be MSRP + $40k. So $160K for a base model GT-R. I remember not that long ago when that was NISMO pricing!
 

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Smh..who is buying a GT-R with a 40K markup in 2023?....
I don't know, maybe the same buying a Z06 at $40K to $50K over MSRP? I spoke to one dealer here in Florida and when I said I would pass because they wanted $40K over and I'm not paying above MSRP, they said to come to the dealer to "negotiate". Crazy times for sure, but as long as there are ballers out there willing to pay these high ADMs, the store will keeping asking for them.
 

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"...just sign here..."

There is probably many reasons for GTRs to be this expensive. But I think that one of the top reasons for me is a new generation of folks that are earning decent money (and make questionable financial decisions); not enough to pay for a GTR cash, but enough for a bank to allow them to get in debt for the rest of their lives. They like the car and can't see 3 days past their purchase which causes them to jump on it. I probably was one of these kids way back in the day, but we were not talking about a 6 figure loan. This would explain the many GTRs that have an "Auction" history. Which, I believe is what typically happens when someone defaults on their loan.

Now, lets think about the future of these MSRP +$40K cars one, two, three years down the road. Most of them will still be in the negative equity zone. The honeymoon will be over and they'll join the rest of the overpriced used-GTR in the market.

GT-R is a bad ass car. But boy!!! How long is this inflated market going to last? Houses are already starting to come down. I wouldn't be surprised if used GTR follow.
 

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Wow!

Cars.com has 25 available
CarGurus 10 (7 that are '23 and 3 that are '21 left overs)
AutoTrader 3 that are '21 left overs

Most with an ADM of +$15K
The '21 left overs are mostly T-Spec in the $250K range.
 

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Some of the dealers I've communicated with are in the $60k ADM range and are insisting they have serious buyers in that price range. Who are we to dispute that but, my question is, wouldn't they have accepted those offers on the spot if it were true?

Some are even going as far as buying up used private party cars and then relisting with a mark up to manipulate the market to justify their ADMs. Won't say any names but take your pick of Nissan dealerships in Pompano Beach.
 
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Cars.com have 34 now. Most are more likely already spoken for.

A '21 T-Spec going for $260K is beyond what the market has been experiencing in the last couple of years. '23 Premiums going for $180K? I don't think so.
 
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