Yes! I loved driving my tuned 335i
Dual clutch users
Do you ever miss shifting gears the old fashion way?
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Only on the street. On track, shifting in mid-corner with just a click without upsetting the chassis is FRICKIN' AWESOME!!!Do you ever miss shifting gears the old fashion way?
Shawn
Actually, I do. I miss the driver involvement, the fun of driving a manual-transmissioned sports car aggressively and the matching of revs while downshifting. The GTR blurs driver involvement to too great a degree IMO.
This.Only on the street. On track, shifting in mid-corner with just a click without upsetting the chassis is FRICKIN' AWESOME!!!
Shawn
On the street it is much more satisfying to row through the gears yourself. On the track the dual clutch lets you focus on driving smooth and fast.
mikeyb, why are you selling yours?!
Me too! I Kinda miss it, Red interior and Gas mileageYes! I loved driving my tuned 335i
Not at all. I know that the dual clutch system can shift much faster and more efficiently than I could ever hope to do. At the end of the day, for me, it's all about what works best. Same reason I don't miss getting up and changing channels on the TV myself (yes, I know I am showing my age here) - the remote control is faster, easier and works better...
Maybe the question could be would driving the GTR be any better with a Manual box. To me the answer is NO WAY.
lol! I love this analogy. There are purists in every arena... It is all personal - like was stated on another forum - boxers or briefs. Both offer a similar function with drastically different methods.Not at all. I know that the dual clutch system can shift much faster and more efficiently than I could ever hope to do. At the end of the day, for me, it's all about what works best. Same reason I don't miss getting up and changing channels on the TV myself (yes, I know I am showing my age here) - the remote control is faster, easier and works better...
It is personal like how you like your eggs (purists like them over easy (slightly runny), while others like them overeasy, overhard, scrambled, poached, etc...), steak (purists like them rare/med rare, and others prefer them medium well/well done), while some typists like the older style of typewriter that did not require electicity, but rather depended on your pressure of each strike to apply ink to the paper.
If your car doesn't require two people to race (one to prime the oil pump manually in the passenger seat, and change gears for you, because you are operating the timing of the engine, steering, managing fuel pump levels, and three pedals), then your car is uninvolving.
Manual clutches aren't really as manual as they use to be, either. And I believe the clutch pedal will become electronic (to prevent human error) in the future (if it hasn't done so already). It could act as a pacifier, for those that prefer to row the gears themselves.
Naw, that is a poor analogy. Sifting a manual gearbox is inherently a fun and entertaining thing to do for most people. Getting up to manually change a TV channel instead of using the remote is a fun and entertaining thing to do for virtually no one. That analogy would be good for eliminating a nuisance, which sifting a manual transmission certainly is not for most sports car drivers.
Until I can preset engine rpm's with the dual clutch or feather grip on snow with an under powered car, and until the dual clutch allows instantaneous downshifting, (I have read a few posts about people that are braking hard at the end of a straight and not able to get it down fast enough) I will own a manual for a beater.
Currently it is an is300 with a 5 speed, and that car is a blast to drive.
With this car with stock power you require clutch slippage to overtax the tires from a stop. Mid corner rev's with a shot of clutch provides lots of predictable fun. As much as I can't wait to drive my GT-R, most supercars are at home on a track, and Shawnhayes has it pegged. On the track it is about as fast as possible without upsetting the chassis, but on the street I would prefer to keep myself occupied shifting.
To me it isn't about being a purist, it is about adrenalin. I find I am enjoying the experience more if I am in control of the clutch and gear.
Mista Cheese
Cheese
Currently it is an is300 with a 5 speed, and that car is a blast to drive.
With this car with stock power you require clutch slippage to overtax the tires from a stop. Mid corner rev's with a shot of clutch provides lots of predictable fun. As much as I can't wait to drive my GT-R, most supercars are at home on a track, and Shawnhayes has it pegged. On the track it is about as fast as possible without upsetting the chassis, but on the street I would prefer to keep myself occupied shifting.
To me it isn't about being a purist, it is about adrenalin. I find I am enjoying the experience more if I am in control of the clutch and gear.
Mista Cheese
Cheese
^^ Well said.Naw, that is a poor analogy. Sifting a manual gearbox is inherently a fun and entertaining thing to do for most people. Getting up to manually change a TV channel instead of using the remote is a fun and entertaining thing to do for virtually no one. That analogy would be good for eliminating a nuisance, which sifting a manual transmission certainly is not for most sports car drivers.
I actually prefer a lower powered stick car for stick fun + having a DCT "weapon" of sorts. Best of both worlds, plus if you can sufficiently afford owning a GT-R, you probably can manage a mid-range somewhat powerful manual car to alternate with Godzilla. =]
I agree with both agruments which is why I drive a GT-R and an older air-cooled 911. Both are very fun cars but in totally different ways. I think of the GTR as the latest hi-tech device while the 911 is sort of like an old great vinyl record player. yeah i'm over 40 (barely).
Bored in some ways. I've posted many times that the car is a 'caged animal' on the streets. I think I'd rather have a dedicated track car that is completely gutted and a 'fun' street car.mikeyb, why are you selling yours?!
overall i love my 2012 gtr and the main reason i chose it was the dct. i have one on a panamera and it works like a nice automatic but not very sporting. its quick but very quiet and smooth which is good for a lux car.
i was hoping the gtr would be much more visceral. i was thinking along the lines of italian single clutch units that jerk your head on the upshifts and sound like rifle shots on the downshifts. at least in the r mode but i dont notice much difference between the settings. in addition the auto mode does too much shifting when on track. doesnt hold the gear long enough or stay near redline.
so far gtr dct is a slight disappointment to me but might be better if i get a louder exhaust and the downshifts become audible
i was hoping the gtr would be much more visceral. i was thinking along the lines of italian single clutch units that jerk your head on the upshifts and sound like rifle shots on the downshifts. at least in the r mode but i dont notice much difference between the settings. in addition the auto mode does too much shifting when on track. doesnt hold the gear long enough or stay near redline.
so far gtr dct is a slight disappointment to me but might be better if i get a louder exhaust and the downshifts become audible
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