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Ignition Timing and Intake Cam Advance

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Hi guys,

I would like to know how ignition timing and intake cam advance affect the power and torque of VR38.
Can anybody please explain this or point me to a right direction where i can get more information?
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Spool up and torque seem to be the more intake cam advance the better on stock turbo setups. Power is relatively insensitive to cam timing changes.

Ignition timing depends on so many variables, you may get a 10+ WHP gain with 1 degree extra, or you may get none depending on octane, boost, spec. Read up if you haven't on MBT and knock thresholds on turbo engines. The VR38 isn't particularly different, but you must avoid excessive knock and cylinder pressures to preserve the stock rods.

Depending on your experience level with tuning generally, or the VR38, as long as your knock is controlled, ignition timing is the last thing to play with.
Hi guys,

I would like to know how ignition timing and intake cam advance affect the power and torque of VR38.
Can anybody please explain this or point me to a right direction where i can get more information?
have you read the Cobb atr guide ? you can carefully test adding timing on dyno to see at which point adding no longer increases torque but increases knock & stress

"Dynamic Ignition timing computation - The Nissan GTR uses a complex computational process to
constantly calculate optimal ignition timing. An internal mathematical model of engine function together
with an array of sensor information is used to calculate ignition timing. The values in the timing tables
are referenced within this computational process but are NOT traditional ignition timing in degrees before
top dead center as most tuners will recognize. These numbers are best thought of in terms of fuel burn
time. The numbers in these tables do heavily impact timing calculations so timing can be adjusted.
Higher values will lead to higher ignition timing and lower values lower ignition timing. One to two
increment increase in table values will lead to a single degree increase in ignition timing.
Detonation based timing adjustment - Ignition timing is also adjusted in response to detonation. The ECU
actively reduces timing in response to detonation. Timing adjustments in response to detonation are
logged with the "knock Sum" monitor. Each degree of removed timing is reflected by a -300 knock sum
increment.
Generally speaking, higher ignition timing supports higher torque and greater power. However, ignition
timing should be increased with great caution. Higher timing yields higher cylinder pressures and this is
limited by fuel quality and the mechanical limitations of the engine. Too much timing will produce knock
correction when fuel quality is limiting. When fuel quality is high, ignition timing should ONLY be added
when its addition produces a substantive increase in torque and power. If increased timing does not
increase torque the extra cylinder pressure is simply producing unnecessary stress on engine components.
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have you read the Cobb atr guide ?
COBB has an ATR guide for their other cars, but TTBOMK they don't have it for the GTR.
Should be right there in the menus in the software. I don't have a build of ATR to check but if it isn't there please tell us and we will fix.
Thanks for the input guys. the engine feels at ease with lower intake cam (lower than 36 at certain rpm).. Am i right to say that assuming the fueling and maf curve is calibrated, the intake cam curve reflects the engine characteristic quite a bit.

What would the main difference in engine character be if you compare the two Intake Cam Advance curves below..assuming every other settings are the exactly the same? What would be the result of higher Intake Cam Advance at 4400rpm to 7200rpm?

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No detectable difference when Tim tested similar on dyno
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