GT-R club track edition is a gutted, roll caged, track-only car with slicks. Don't know if it's equivalent.We will talk when (IF) 2012 Club Track Edition laps the Ring.
+1. I like the purity of the "base" model GT-R on OEM tires setting the time that everyone else is trying to beat. It's like keeping a permanent ace up the sleeve, that may or may not ever be revealed.This is even more proof that other manufactures require special adjustments to get good times. Corvette (new tire option), Porsche (GT2 RS), LFA (Nur edition)...... If nissan did the same thing, they could destroy all those times.
Nissan shows how it's base_line model performs.. PERIOD!!!! Not some special edition yatta, yatta, yatta, You and I have these base_line models and can be proud of their proven performance. PERIOD!!!!
With that said, I cant wait to see the new ring times for the 2012 in dry conditions.
Because philosophically Nissan does not believe in special edition times. They want base line model times that owners can identify with. Any major manufacturer can create a special edition car, but where does it stop? It's like modding, your mods maybe better than mine and the other guys better than yours... see my point? Why those times are fast, how does it compare the their base line models? Where is the PDK time and standard 911 time?This is the equivalent of the GTR spec V. Weight saving was due to lighter seats, wheels and fixed rear spoiler, otherwise it's still a fully loaded car. It also has 10 hp more and lowered by 10 mm. It has slightly better tires than the regular LFA, but with more down force so it'd be faster in the twists and turns.
I wonder why the Spec V's time was never released.
The portions of this post that I have bolded are in complete contradiction with one another. The reason the Nur edition would be faster is more to do with aero, suspension, and tires than power. Those factors contribute far more than adding power would as they allow the existing power to be applied in more portions of the track.Impressive lap time, even on the special model. The NUR package isn't dramatically different from the standard model. Besides the 10hp bump, additional aero, suspension, tires, and seats, the car's weight isn't too far off from the standard unit. Straight-line performance still remains the same. Lexus hasn't officially come out with a ring time with the standard car if I recall correctly, so those times are up for grabs. What I find most impressive is that this time was achieved with only 560hp. The car isn't that lightweight either. People should also note the tires used in all the cars running these times because that can vastly affect the position on the list. So thumbs up to Lexus! Wish the car was cheaper though!
Exactly... hence why there should be two 'Ring lap time lists. It puts me in the mind of muscle cars and specifically Cudas. Everyone wants to bench drag race using a Hemi or 440 6-pack 'Cuda, but the reality is those made up less than 15% of total production.Because philosophically Nissan does not believe in special edition times. They want base line model times that owners can identify with. Any major manufacturer can create a special edition car, but where does it stop? It's like modding, your mods maybe better than mine and the other guys better than yours... see my point? Why those times are fast, how does it compare the their base line models? Where is the PDK time and standard 911 time?