with this kind of aftermarket support, I think the modified GT-R scene potentially can become the next face of the R35 as time goes on.
Will the GTR be a classic? Does it have staying power?
Hey guys,
Slow day on the forums lately, thought I'd spark some discussion.
Wondering what your thoughts are on whether the GTR will be a future classic and whether the GTR is a one trick performance pony, or does it have actual staying power as a life long companion.
With the next generation of sports cars coming out, and indications Nissan will take the next GTR in a different direction (hybrid, if they make it at all), it is becoming more and more a test of ownership about whether the GTR is here to stay in the garage outside of a warranty.
With the way sports cars are going, it seems inevitable that the current GTR will be passed by in terms of performance. Even a Audi TTRS does 0-60 in 3.5 with launch control, the next generation of V12s from Ferrari and Lamborghini will put an end to the GTR's "giant killer" status (just like it ended for the R34) and as that technology trickles down into cheaper brands like Porsche the performance will be more accessible as well.
Is there anything about the current GTR besides performance which will cause it to enter into classic status? The engine itself isn't that special - it doesn't have a very unique engine note either. The styling is polarizing and more functional then passionate. It seems like the greatest innovations of this car are the technology, which is hard to be passionate and emotionally attached to.
I imagine the R35 legacy will be similar to the R34 - an unmatched car in it's prime (both had Nurburgring records for a time) but as time goes on will only be owned and appreciated by a cult following.
What are your thoughts?
Slow day on the forums lately, thought I'd spark some discussion.
Wondering what your thoughts are on whether the GTR will be a future classic and whether the GTR is a one trick performance pony, or does it have actual staying power as a life long companion.
With the next generation of sports cars coming out, and indications Nissan will take the next GTR in a different direction (hybrid, if they make it at all), it is becoming more and more a test of ownership about whether the GTR is here to stay in the garage outside of a warranty.
With the way sports cars are going, it seems inevitable that the current GTR will be passed by in terms of performance. Even a Audi TTRS does 0-60 in 3.5 with launch control, the next generation of V12s from Ferrari and Lamborghini will put an end to the GTR's "giant killer" status (just like it ended for the R34) and as that technology trickles down into cheaper brands like Porsche the performance will be more accessible as well.
Is there anything about the current GTR besides performance which will cause it to enter into classic status? The engine itself isn't that special - it doesn't have a very unique engine note either. The styling is polarizing and more functional then passionate. It seems like the greatest innovations of this car are the technology, which is hard to be passionate and emotionally attached to.
I imagine the R35 legacy will be similar to the R34 - an unmatched car in it's prime (both had Nurburgring records for a time) but as time goes on will only be owned and appreciated by a cult following.
What are your thoughts?
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like you said "It seems like the greatest innovations of this car are the technology" and technologies don't last, they became old technology the next day. The GTR will be a classic if they are gonna end it after the r35, like the supra did in the past. Or, if they decide to give a new name when they change to hybrids and electric drive, then the r35 GTR will be the classic.
No it won't. A good example of a techno tour de force car not being worth much is the 3000GT VR4. I believe the GTR will be a great platform to modify off of but will it be worth a lot? Nah
My guess is that the relatively limited production numbers will make it worth more than most over time.
Can't just take one aspect of the two cars and make a direct comparison of future value. There are many more factors involved. Limited production, name plate heritage, history, results in professional racing, aesthetics, aftermarket, tuning potential, even things like media exposure (think Starsky and Hutch or Back to the Future) will all have an impact. From the look of things, I think the R35 will be a long lived and sought after car even when its well past its prime.No it won't. A good example of a techno tour de force car not being worth much is the 3000GT VR4. I believe the GTR will be a great platform to modify off of but will it be worth a lot? Nah
+1 I love my GTR ..Can't just take one aspect of the two cars and make a direct comparison of future value. There are many more factors involved. Limited production, name plate heritage, history, results in professional racing, aesthetics, aftermarket, tuning potential, even things like media exposure (think Starsky and Hutch or Back to the Future) will all have an impact. From the look of things, I think the R35 will be a long lived and sought after car even when its well past its prime.
Even after being out for more than 3 Years here in the States, people still seem to be amazed when they see one..
"the legend is real"
+1+1 I love my GTR ..
Even after being out for more than 3 Years here in the States, people still seem to be amazed when they see one..
In my experience any car that has superhero abilities for its time becomes sought after even after 20 years.
Example
93 and up Supra
any year 911 turbo porsche
any year GTR
any year Evo
any year wtx sti
any year ZR1
any year Lotus Esprit
and so on
all of these cars are giants or giant killers when written about when they came out new.
Example
93 and up Supra
any year 911 turbo porsche
any year GTR
any year Evo
any year wtx sti
any year ZR1
any year Lotus Esprit
and so on
all of these cars are giants or giant killers when written about when they came out new.
All good examples. The only thing that plagues values on any of these cars are miles. Lower mileage GTR's will always be worth a bunch of money. The evo's and supras can be had now for LOW teens with high miles. example (2003 evo with 118,000 miles for $11,500) or a 1994 supra turbo with over 100,000 miles is only around 14-16 now.. I keep seeing these things on ebay with 45,000-60,000 miles aready, and I am asking myself how someone puts that many miles on a car that fast. Its not a civic, its a HIGH maintenance car that requires lots of TLC to keep from your pockets.In my experience any car that has superhero abilities for its time becomes sought after even after 20 years.
Example
93 and up Supra
any year 911 turbo porsche
any year GTR
any year Evo
any year wtx sti
any year ZR1
any year Lotus Esprit
and so on
all of these cars are giants or giant killers when written about when they came out new.
I almost hope the R35 ends it. When I owned my evo, I wanted the 2006 to be the last year made, I would have kept it forever...
It has classic written all over it. There isn't a single car like it and it is way ahead of its time. It's been two years and newer cars still can't compete dollar for dollar, performance for performance, tech for tech. Let's not forget the uproar it caused across the globe, the allegations, and the royal ass kickings its been giving in every venue of racing.
+YESIt has classic written all over it. There isn't a single car like it and it is way ahead of its time. It's been two years and newer cars still can't compete dollar for dollar, performance for performance, tech for tech. Let's not forget the uproar it caused across the globe, the allegations, and the royal ass kickings its been giving in every venue of racing.
Absolutely...low production cars that make a big splash in the automotive community secure their place as a classic.
I don't think it will be.
When the R35 is 10-15 years old, not too many will be sought after when a single failure of engine or gearbox could amount to the value of the car in one hit.
Too maintenance intensive even now for the average Joe, let alone when the car is over a decade old.
In 15 years, 15-20k prices.
When the R35 is 10-15 years old, not too many will be sought after when a single failure of engine or gearbox could amount to the value of the car in one hit.
Too maintenance intensive even now for the average Joe, let alone when the car is over a decade old.
In 15 years, 15-20k prices.
+1I don't think it will be.
When the R35 is 10-15 years old, not too many will be sought after when a single failure of engine or gearbox could amount to the value of the car in one hit.
Too maintenance intensive even now for the average Joe, let alone when the car is over a decade old.
In 15 years, 15-20k prices.
The GTR's production numbers are too high for that to be used as a determining factor as classic. Racing used to mean something for cars but race car and road car versions of each other are so far removed that you can consider most GTR GT series race cars as entirely different cars. There are plenty of turbocharged cars that have insane tuning potential but aren't classics. The GTR hasn't had any media exposure like the Supra did in F&F 1. That is one of the reasons why the Supra had a resurgence in interest and price back in the early part of the decade. The GTR will end up just like 911 turbos.Can't just take one aspect of the two cars and make a direct comparison of future value. There are many more factors involved. Limited production, name plate heritage, history, results in professional racing, aesthetics, aftermarket, tuning potential, even things like media exposure (think Starsky and Hutch or Back to the Future) will all have an impact. From the look of things, I think the R35 will be a long lived and sought after car even when its well past its prime.
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